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Shrimad Bhagavata Purana – A Portrayal Of Fantacies And Idiosyncrasies

Acharya Dharmakirti has enumerated five characteristics of ennui and stupefaction. One of them is to consider the scripture as perfect and authoritative. The tendency to consider a religious book not only as sacred but also as an authority is widely prevalent among gullible followers. These followers do not have any knowledge of its essence and contents, though most of the contents of these “holy” scriptures have been proved fallacious on the basis of reason and reality.

Today, when scientists have determined that the distance between Earth and Moon is about 3,84,403 Km, and the distance between Earth and Sun is about 150 million Km, where is the sense in asserting that according to the ‘Vishnu Puran’ – the Sun is nearer to the earth and the moon is far away? Everybody is aware that the knowledge of the Puraniks about Astronomy and other sciences was limited, almost absurd, and their imagination ran riot when they made tall claims. There is still a large section of bigoted die-hards who are not only proud of the supposedly great legacy of the Puranas, but also make loud declaration that most scientific discoveries are exclusively based on “scientific” Hindu scriptures and have been stolen by the Western people!

One such Maha Puranic texts of Hindu literature is the ‘Shrimadbhaghwat Puran’ (Shrimad Bhagavata Purana) which is full of devotion towards Vishnu and Krishna. (The said granth consists of 12 Skandas [cantos] with 18,000 verses).

The Shrimadbhaghwat Puran occupies place of great reverence and honor among the Hindus in general and among the Vaishnav community in particular. On the basis of ancient tradition Bhaghwat Saptah [recitation made for seven days] is often organized with great religious exhibitionism along with rhetoric expression in praise of the said Puran.

Shrimadbhaghwat Puran is full of absurdities and idiosyncrasies, but I have chosen only few of the wonderful and miraculous “discoveries” of the Puranic era for the readers.

  1. Have you ever heard about the ‘scented excreta’ emanating like a fragrance in the air for upto ten Yojnas [about 30 miles]? Saint Rishibdev performed all his day-to-day functions while sitting or sleeping, and never stood up. His body remained immersed in his excreta [faecal and urine], and the fragrance of his scented excreta could be smelt for around a 30 miles radius. [Ref. Bhaghwat Puran,Skand 5,chapter5]

  2. King Yuvanshava had no son and retired together with his wives to a forest. The seers felt merciful and in order to help the king arranged a fertility ceremony known as Indra -Yajna. One night, the King felt thirsty and entered the sacrificial arena; seeing all the seers fast sleep, he drank sanctified water that was meant for giving birth to a child. Thereafter when the time was ripe, from the lower abdomen of King Yuvanshava, on his right side, a son was born with all the qualities of a good king, who would later be known as King Trasaddasya.

    No doubt, modern medical science [obstetrics] today does not have enough expertise to repeat such a wonderful achievement. [Ref.ibid-Skand 9, chapter 6]

  3. When King Vena died without having a son, the wise man decided to churn the thighs of the dead King with great force. Thereupon a person named Bahuka [the dwarf] was born who later attained the status as King Nishada. His descendants were thereupon called Nishad. Again a case of extra-ordinary achievement which cannot be repeated today despite tremendous advances in medical science. [Ref. Ibid,Skand 4,chapter 14]
  4. There are four mountains in four different directions of the Sumeru Mountain – Mandar in the East, Merumandar in the South, Suparshv in the West and Kumad in the North. These four mountains are like the legs of the Main Mountain. The area of each is described to be around 80,000 miles. Each of them bears a different tree at its peak – Mango, Roseapple, Neulea and Banyan. They serve as their flags and are 1100 Yojnas [about 3300 miles] high! [Ref.Ibid.Skand 4 ,chapter 6].

  5. King Satyadhriti was an expert in archery. His son Shardwan after seeing beautiful Urvashi cking-satyadhritiould not control his carnal desire. His semen falling on a clump of Sara grass resulted in the birth of one male and one female child. King Shantanu, while wandering in the forest, took up both children out of compassion. He named the male child Kripa and female child Kripi, who later became Dronacharya’s wife. [Ref.Ibid,Skand 9, chapter 24 ].
  6. After receiving the semen of Kashypa deposited in her womb, Diti was afraid that the process will destroy the power of others and lead to complete darkness in all directions, like a fire loaded with too much firewood; she retained the said semen in her womb for 100 years! [Ref.Ibid,Skand 3, chapter 15].

  7. Thereupon finding fault with her, Indra, the master of Yog-Maya and mystical powers, entered the womb of Diti while she was asleep. The embryo had a golden appearance; he cut it into seven pieces with his thunderbolt and further divided each piece into seven pieces. All cut pieces with folded hands said, “O’ Ruler, why do you want to kill us, we are your brothers.”[Ref.Ibid,Skand 6, chapter 18.]
  8. During the battle between the demigods and demons, demigods rode Elephants, Camels; White and Red-faced Monkeys; Tigers and Lions. Some of them rode Vultures, Eagles, Ducks, Hawks, Killer Whales, Buffaloes, Cows, Bulls, Jackals, Rats, Lizards ,Rabbits, Goats, Black Deer, Swans and Boars. [Ref.Ibid ,Skand 8, chapter 10].
  9. Raja Priyvat in order to convert night as brilliant as the day, followed the Sun seven times with an identical speed in his Chariot. While following the Sun, the wheels and the rim of his Chariot made trenches which ultimately resulted in the emergence of the seven seas. The whole process divided the heavenly sphere around the earth (Bhu-mandal) into seven islands.[Ref.Ibid.Skand 5, chapter 1].

  10. There are seven seas on the earth. One is full of the saltiest water; the other contains pure water; the third is full of milk, the fourth is full of ghee; fifth is full of sugarcane juice; sixth is full of liquor and the seventh is filled with sweet water. [Ref.Skand 5,chapter1].

  11. God Shiva, smitten by the glamour of the ravishing beauty of Mohini and not being able to keep his eyes off her, runs shamelessly after her. The well-formed glory of Mohini pleased Shiva and the naked Mohini felt embarrassed and tried to hide herself behind the trees. Lord Shiva excited with lust, like a male elephant on heat, caught her by the braid of her hair and pulled her close to his body against her will. Mohini, with scattered hair, squirmed like a snake and managed to free herself. She ran quickly and her heavy hips precipitated the illusionary potency of the lord. Oh lord, who never spills in vain went after her like a mad bull chasing a female, could not further control his carnal desire and subsequently his semen was discharged. All those places where his semen fell were converted into silver and gold mines. [Ref.Ibid,skand 8,chapter 12 ].

    Image source: http://www.exoticindiaart.com/artimages/mohini_sm.jpg

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  12. Disrespected by his son who refused to follow his orders, Brahma could not control his anger. During his state of anger a child was born instantly from between the eyebrows of the lord. The child had a color composition of red [for passion] and blue [for ignorance]. [Ref.skand 3, chapter 12 ].
  13. Brahma once became concerned about the creation of living creatures. Thereupon in an angry state of mind the lord demolished his own body. O’Nidura were born from the hairs falling from that body, the beings without limbs were created. From their crawling bodies, the snakes and cobras came into existence. [Ref. Ibid ,Skand 3, chapter 20 ].

  14. One day when the creator of the world was wondering as to how he should create all the three worlds, exactly the same way they were before, the Vedic literature consisting of four Vedas manifested itself from his four mouths. [Ref. Ibid ,skand 3, chapter 20].

  15. In order to avoid anarchy after the death of King Nimi, great seers churned the dead body of the deceased King and accordingly one male baby was born. Due to his uncommon birth, the newly born baby was named as Vaodeha [free from a body]. [Ref., Ibid ,skand 9 ,chapter 13.].

  16. As a wedding gift, King Naganjit presented the mighty king ten thousand Cows, three thousand excellently dressed maidens with golden ornaments around their necks, nine thousand elephants, a hundred times as many chariots, with a hundred times as many horses and to that a hundred times as many as there were horses. [ Ref. Ibid ,skand 10 ,chapter 58 ].
  17. Infuriated, Balram with the tip of his plow tore close to the city of Hastinapur and dragged the entire city, with the intention of throwing the city deep into the Ganges. [Ref. Ibid ,skand 10 , chapter 68 ].

  18. When Lord Brahma was deeply immersed in his thoughts, unexpectedly, one male baby, equaling one thumb, emerged out of the nostril [varah-shishu] and within the divine presence attained the body of an adult elephant. [Ref. Ibid, scand 3, chapter 13 ].

  19. When two seers, namely Mitr and Varun, saw the sexy and beautiful Orvashi, they could not control their carnal desire. In a state of extreme excitement their semen was discharged, which they deposited in a nearby pot. After a while two male babies were born out of the said semen. They later became famous as Agastya and Vashishta.[ Ref. Ibid ,skand 6, chapter 18].

  20. Tail piece: King Ugarsen had one ‘neel’ army personal. [Ref. Ibid ,scand 10, chapter 90 ]

    Note: One neel consists of 10,000,000,000,000 men!!!

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Hirday N. Patwari

39 Comments

  • Hirday,

    Very good article and compilation of the ‘profound’ absurdities of the Hindu mahapuranas. I have considered the Srimad Bhagavatam as a fountain-head of mythical nonsense, since it is huge copy-paste job from many other puranas.

    It is called the 5th Veda, veda meaning the knowledge of nonsense and inanity, which is what the other 4 vedas are

    Regards

    • Indeed. Speaking of ‘profound absurdities’, there’s enough here even to forestall the apologists’ stock response, “But aren’t these really allegorical illustrations of truths and don’t allegories work best when they are most hyberbolic?” What they miss is that even the ‘truths’ of which these myths are supposedly allegories are themselves often ‘profound absurdities’.

      For instance, if the oceans of milk and liquor are allegorical about the surfeit of both beneficial and harmful indulgences abounding in human experience, then this ‘truth’ is just a deepity. If the births of Trasaddasya, Baahuka, Kripa, Kripi, Diti’s brood, Vaodeha and so on are really allegories for the irrepressibility of libido and the unintended consequences of repression and sublimation sublimation, then these ‘truths’ are controversial empirical claims which are far from proven.

      As for the origin of the seven seas and the earth’s goldmines, it would take a specially crazed apologist to claim the presence of “Geology in the Puranas”. For those who are thrilled about the presence of ridiculously large numbers in the Puranas, which to them are a testimony to the breadth of imagination of our ancients, a point to ponder is that Ugrasena’s army (10 trillion) is at least 2 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE GREATER than the number of people who ever lived on the Earth! Or maybe they’ll just turn around and say “Look! The ancients had mastered the art of Sustainability and had the infrastructure and lifestyle design to sustain such gargantuan populations!”

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  • Good article Dr.Patwari. An enlightening one for those who consider story books as holy scriptures and the protagonist as god. When will these people wake up to reality.

  • In addition to the above quoted truth about hindu mythology which has created an illussionary fear among the people of this country which is aroused from the stories which has no scientific validations and are against the laws of nature like :

    1. Vishnu puran says ” vishnu took out 2 hairs from his head one was white and other was black then both the hairs was inserted in the womb of rohini and devki , the white hair reproduced balram and black hair reproduced krishan ( krishan itself means black)

    2 . Shiva is used to be prayed in India as god of creation and destruction on the other side he has been shows as man of unlimited sexual lust and most of the time he loses control on his carnal desires the story in shiv puran goes this way that he lost control on his carnal desires which provokes him to wander in the jungle without cloths insearch of some womens to cool down his lust , when the wives of some devtas saw him coming nude they all went to have sex with him , looking at the gesture the devtas got angry a punished shiva with a curse to burn his lingh but as the fire aroused on the lingh the earth also started burning , creatures started dying then all the devtas when to parvati and told her the whole story , she came there and put her lingam in her ovary and saved the whole earth since from that time shivling has become symbol of peace to save this earth from destruction.

  • The Bible is the only religious scripture both realistic and credible. Jesus Christ is the only living God, the Creator of this universe and life on earth. Those who believe in him will be redeemed and all others would be condemned on Judgment Day! +

    • Alexander,

      Sorry!! Looks like you have chosen the wrong forum for your brand of puerile evangelism.You will not find any takers here for your fantasies about Jesus and Bible.

      If you have something constructive and legitimately critical to say about the subject matter of this article, do so, else it is wise to maintain a golden silence

    • Oh,
      Don’t even get us started on the uncredibility of the bible. In fact, the bible is the most recommended book for budding atheists. And you know that’s true isn’t it?

  • A very interesting article indeed reveling the stupidest stories from these so called holy books. We can find a lot of such example in these scriptures. I think that is the best that they were able to come at their time, however it is also commendable that whoever has written these scriptures were among the wisest people of their time.

  • Looks like you cannot read the Puran with family as it is mostly filled with adult material. Probably, it should be rated with an A certificate.

    And those people had quite pathetic self-control. The point 1 mentioned by abhinav gupta makes me wanna puke.

    • Rishabhdev was a Jain Tirthankar. Point 1 surely makes anyone want to puke unless you believe in Hankey the Christmas Poo. Scented Urine and Stool!

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  • I verified all the above mentioned skanda and chapters. Now I feel Shrimad Bhagvat Puran is just as appalling as the Bible and Islamic Hadith.

  • Why are you focussing on the Puaranas anyway??? Puranas are STORIES and LEGENDS. NOBODY says you HAVE to follow them!

    And, definitely there are LOADS of false things in our religion, but there are a LOT of correct predictions too! Evolution, for example and other millions of things.

    I truly believe in God and compared to all religions, hinduism or sanatana dharma makes more sense. See we are discussing these things and nobody is shouting “you are going to hell!”

    I have another: Shiv lina is the union of male and female. Think about it and you will see why. I know all this.

    GO BACK TO VEDAS… Read them. They are correct. and awesome. (even they are not always awesome, but they are 95%, a lot more than other holy books)

    • Why are you focussing on the Puaranas anyway??

      Who are you to question what to focus and what not to? There are plenty of people who believe that the events in puranas have really taken place, which necessitates articles like this.

      ..but there are a LOT of correct predictions too! Evolution, for example and other millions of things.

      You say “millions”, but the one example that you mentioned (evolution) is just pseudoscience. You were quick to point out that puranas are stories and legends and yet you believe in something just as absurd. I can perform a revisionist and imaginative reading of the puranas and find the general architecture of x86 family of processors in them. Would you then believe that puranas are not just stories, but are tales of an advanced civilization?

      GO BACK TO VEDAS… Read them.

      I’m pretty sure the author of this article has read them.

      They are correct. and awesome.

      That is just hyperbole. The Vedas are a product of their times and that shows up in a manner that cannot be missed.

    • You said
      “Shiv linga is the union of male and female. Think about it and you will see why”

      Wish you had not asked for this for I did not want to tread upon a raw nerve of religious sensibility.

      Since anyway you made as, Satish very nicely put it, a revisionist and imaginative reading of the portrayal of Shiva Linga, I felt a response was called for.

      Though religious apology will put any kind of subjective aesthetic gloss on it, linga worship originated with medieval phallic worship and is probably an inheritance of a very old and barbaric system of asceticism called ‘Trantricism’. As an artistic representation of the union of the ‘phallus’ and ‘yoni’, the linga can aim to be an ‘object d’art’, but to celebrate it as an object of worship is to take sensibility and faith to an extreme level of deviancy.

      As one who once subscribed to the Hindu faith, my own initial reaction when I studied the origins of linga worship, was to recoil with horror an revulsion. I really doubt if majority of the Hindus even know the origins of this religious icon.

      But do blind adherents even need or care for any apologies?!!!

  • Dear Friends,

    One cannot pass judgement on scriptures such as the Bhagavata by simply picking out certain stories and parables from it and then dismissing the entire work as a ‘cock and bull’ story. One must first take into account the entire religious structure of the Purana, its methodology and try to understand *what it is trying to say*. Of course, this must be done with an open mind and shedding all pre-meditated mentalities. If your main objective behind turning every page of the Bhg. is only to gather ‘evidence’ for tarnishing the Purana, then, well, you won’t get any closer to the spirit of any scripture. Because, to understand the spirit of any Book – its essence – you need first to engender within yourself a certain attitude of sraddhaa. (Please note that this ‘sraddhaa’ does NOT mean stupefaction!)
    Coming to the Bhg., it has, like other Puranas, certain laksanas or characteristics such as those of sarga (creation), pratisarga (secondary creation), vamsanucarita (genealogy), etc but what distinguishes the Bhg. from the others is its (10th and final)laksana called ‘Asraya’ (Sole-Refuge). This ‘Asraya’ is not present in the other Puranas and therefore this Book has been called the Best Among Puranas (that in which the Highest Truth has been determined). The main objective of the Holy Srimad-Bhagavata is to focus only on ‘Asraya’ or Eka-Sarana (Sole-Refuge) in Krsna (God). Its only rationale behind positing a whole range of exciting stories, anecdotes and imageries in moving towards its goal of ‘Asraya’ is to infuse the mass-mind, the folk-mind, the mind of the hoi-polloi with Devotion for God. And, friends, please keep in mind that it is *poetic in nature*. Suka Deva who recited the whole Purana as the ultimate antidote for the venomous bite (Taksaka) of samsara, himself declares in the 2nd Skandha of the Work that he will deliberately incorporate literary elements (rasa) such as those of sringara (amorous sentiment) in his recitation so that the work does not become too dry and so that ALL people (including the women and Sudras who were hitherto kept outside the pale of Devotion by the protagonists of orthodoxy) may partake of this delicious nectar of Devotion in great joy. This accounts for the poetic character of the Purana.

    Further, friends, these so-called ‘stories’ carry a certain symbolism (at times, multi-layered) within them and are used to illustrate highly metaphysical and psychic concepts. This is the conceptual modelling of the Bhg. Again, today, we talk of ‘trees’ and ‘queues’ in the domain of Computer Science but do these ‘trees’ and ‘queues’ really exist? They are just used to aid understanding of abstract concepts. So, also the Bhg talks, eg. of the ‘city with the nine gates’ (?). Need we laugh? Should the Bhg. be faulted for making religion interesting?

    Friends, the Bhg. employs a wide range of literary devices and contraptions to attract the attention of the reader and lead him on to Its final goal of Sole-Refuge. It is due to THIS MESSAGE that millions have over millennia, found the Bhg. to be attractive. Otherwise, stories are to be found everywhere!

    Therefore, friends, do not discard the essence for the dross. Do not dismiss the entire Bhg. for what might appear to the casual eye as mere ‘fairy-tales’. For it is the CORE TEACHING of any Book which ought to be the object of focus for the *really* open-minded and intelligent reader.

    In this connection, may I make a humble suggestion? Interested readers, if they want the core teaching of the Bhg, may kindly go through the ‘LORD KRISHNA’S TEACHINGS TO UDDHAVA’ from Canto XI of the text. The Teaching of EKA-SARANA (sole-refuge), forsaking all other dharmas, as given in the 12th Chapter of the said Canto, is the ULTIMATE MESSAGE of the Bhagavata.

    For those interested in knowing more about the philosophy and/or the religious structure of the Bhg, Daniel Sheridan’s ‘ADVAITIC THEISM OF THE BHAGAVATA’ is perhaps the best available choice.

    The 19th century American Transcendentalist Ralph Waldo Emerson once exalted the Bhagavata as a book to be read “on one’s knees.”

    Thank you.

    • Arunava,

      You have said nothing new or meaningful in your long and tideous defence of the Purana.

      All this huffing and puffing around devotion is just another kind of religious fetish.

      Bhagavatam is making religion puerile and ludicrous, not interesting.

      If it wants all to take refuge in Krsna, does it tell where Krsna is and why he is not coming to the rescue of many millions of hapless and miserable Indians.

      What you call as metaphysical and psyhic concepts, we call it beating around the bush with futile speculation on imaginary abstractions. If the nonsense in Bhagavatam is ‘highly metaphysical’ what is lowly metaphysical according to you.

      Also critics and independent thinkers can find nothing multilayered in the symbolism of the Purana. It is all exaggerated fanstasy which was fine 1000 years ago.

      But modern intelligence deserves more respect than what die-hard religious apologists like you are willing to give

  • Guys its not so easy to understand the hidden spiritual codes in the words of religion. Not only hindu spiritual texts but for that reason various spiritual texts from different religions of the world contain stories which you can compare with Aesops fables but encapsulating the essence of some spiritual value. For example the wjole of mahabharata is nothing if we delete the chapters of bhagavad gita from it.Perhaps gita is the only concept and to make the lay men understand constructed stores around them………..If we take the stories seriuosly and start valuating the holy books based on them then we fail to detect the encapsulated spiritual code…. For example if you take the agni of veda as fire and jal as water then perhaps you will say that jal can be used to extinguish agni…..but in spiritualism akasha, vayu, agni, jal and prithvi called as the panch mahabhutas are not the visible elements of daily life we know of…these are indications for the subtler conponents of the universal consciuosness…..Ok let’s stop this and answer me two of my simple questions…………

    1. tell me one thing that you did in your life till date or have and you know why you did it or have it ?

    2. Please translate for me one of these famous quotations of St. John’s, which I respect supremely in context of spiritualism and is mentioned in Hindu spiritual texts too….You can also take the help of modern science :

    In the beginning there was the WORD..the WORD was with God…and the WORD was god….

    • Krishnendu

      Let me ask you questions before I answer your 2 ‘great’ questions:

      Why are spiritual codes hidden in the words of religion?

      Are they just hidden codes or encapsulated codes and how and why so?

      And why has nobody been able find them for 3000 years and more?

      If nobody has been able to find them or know them, how are they hidden spiritual codes?

      Coming to your questions:

      The 1st question is not being answered since it is not worth answering silly and nonsensical questions that are not framed and defined properly

      You have already answered your 2nd by translating St John’s quotes. And Modern Science is very grateful to you for your amazing translation skills

  • Dear Ranganath, Thanks for sharing your views and I m not surprised at your answers as you took the questions at a wrong angle. My intentions were not to attack but to try explain something people take mistakenly. Ok let me explain my questions first :
    1. My first question is not non sensical. Just for 5 minutes speculate upon my question and you will find it sensible….Let me explain it….Let’s say you love cricket, even I do so. But do you know where from the attraction for cricket came…..You dislike a particular attitude of a person which your friend may like…why your choices were not te opposite…we tend to do what we feel but never ask why we feel so.Why I harboured a particular desire, why I hated tat particular thing, and the only answer tat comes is uncertainty as the favourite word but if uncertainty is the answer for everything that we feel then its definitely an issue. we speak our mind, we behave our mind…the same question asked to us in different stages of life gives different answers, only bcoz. the mind changes with time….the SCIENTISTS try explain truths with the help of the mind itself they know least….and SPIRITUALISM is nothing but a try that our ancient champion of meditations gave to understand the stuff called MIND….May be holy books we see today may not contain 100% truth as the same book is translated more than thousand times since written first…I can bet if Chetan Bhagat’s Ist book is translated by someone other than him over a period of a thousand years the originality will disappear atleast by some percent………..I believe now you could understand why I asked the first question bcoz. the funniest and silliest fact of human civilization is tat we all spend our whole life without ever knowing what drive us, i.e. our thoughts and who we are….None of us no…I too don’t know….but atleast we can salute the attempts of those who tried to know and try ourselves……..

  • Now to answers your questions : a very very valid question as to why the codes are hidden and not straight…???
    Answer : its not that the codes are hidden but become so in the lack of spiritual experience or lack of a person having the same…Suppose someone tries to explain a common student of Arts the idea of Schrodinger’s Cat, which says that in quantum mechanics a CAT can be dead and alive both at the same time. WHAT ABSURDITY the student of Arts will probably say untill he is told that the idea is central to quantum mechanics.we respect immensely quantum non classical mechanics bcoz its a worldwide idea otherwise.Just that…we fail to understand the spiritual lines bcoz of two reasons :
    1. Tendency of the old day authors to teach by way of stories…propagate an idea by citing a story to explain the same….But there are texts like bhagavad gita, as straight as anything…Any adult person can understand tat……
    2. We never try to understand the texts….but speak of modern science whose latest of champion ideas all look absurd at the outset unless we try to understand them…

    And there have been people who understood the language of the texts. They are those who wrote the upanishads and te Gita…..Read these texts for once and if then you find something silly feel free to post here…..But beware of the people having great business in name of religion these days……Welcome all free ideas but before criticizing any text scientific or spiritual….spend some time to try to understand instead straightaway abusing the painstaking effort of tose who wrote them.

    • Krishnendu,

      It is very clear that you have no idea what quantum physics or quantum mechanics is. You are quoting the ‘Thought Experiment’ of the Cat out of context.

      So far there is not enough in the theory of quantum physics/mechanics to invalidate the application of ‘particle physics’ in our day to day living

      I don’t know what you mean by saying “we respect immensely quantum non classical mechanics bcoz its a worldwide idea otherwise”

      I have heard of the term “Quantum Mechanics”, but what is this ‘non-classical’ in the middle.

      You cannot respect something that you don’t know clearly or do not understand fully.

      From the kind of nonsense that you are quoting about QM, it looks like you have no proper idea or notion of it.

      QM is a model trying to explain phenomenon at the sub-atomic level. Still how does that make it world-wide.

      When you say something, be specific and clear and not vague like “lack of spiritual experience” and “lack of person having the same”

      These terms can mean anything or nothing when no proper definitions are given. Spiritual is the most abused word of our times.Every religious addict claims to be spiritual and pretends or claims that he/she has uncovered great meaning from the primitive junk that is written in their scriptures

      And what do I say about your last para of comment. It is the case of the kettle calling the teapot black. It is also evidence of your pathetic ignorance and the fact that you have not read any of the criticisms of the Gita or Vedanta in the articles of Nirmukta. The authors including me have read these works and only then evaluated the demerits of these.

      It is you who should be spending time reading these works, not we.

  • CAN YOU PICK THE LINE WHERE I WENT WRONG????….I DIDN’T SAY THAT MY PET CAT IS THE SCHRODINGER’S CAT….Its a concept in a limited context and that everybody knows…Yes Ranganath, I lately discovered that I am posting ideas on a forum which is not an open forum rather a forum where some people are stubborn atheists….Yes its true that QM is valid in the sub atomic world but what I tried to explain in my previous comment was not QM but a very widely followed fact in the scientific domain : An idea, whatever it might be, if it explains nature and is experimentally valid, is a potential theory..QM is a champion theory today bcoz. of the flexible minded people of the scientific domain, unlike, the people who can’t simply consume an idea against their own…May be that all of spiritualism is but blunder, may be…but then that also need to be tested and not just bcoz. a man has spent a lot of energy to misinterpret some books, the common mass too follow the suit….A single piece of writing can be interpreted in thousands of ways and I am sure you will not be able to understand as before what I am saying here since you don’t want to…and the so called idea as NIRMUKTA, a word which itself can be interpreted in multiple ways……GO through any interpretation of bhagavad gita apart from the NIRMUKTA interpretation and you may find something meaningful….Yes I read some of the articles and they are just an example of profound negativity a person can have…..I have one request…Please bring out an interpretation of the inspirational book “You Can Win” by Shiv Khera and I am confident that this forum will be successful in discovering some negativity in that too…..Thanks.

  • My intentions are not to harm anybody’s sentiments or beliefs…I just wanted a free discussion….Guys….call an absurd thing as absurd…call a book as mark of absurdity but only when it is thoroughly tested not bcoz…somebody thinks so….Yes, there are some missing patterns in Gita…there are instances we can say that either the same thing is repeated or is not ordered but something is not ordered is not the proof of its absurdity…The same book is interpreted in many ways….Everyone can find a meaning for himself….some see light of profound spiritualism, some religious fanaticism and some absolute absurdity but interestingly nobody knows what the author wanted to say…What we all say is our belief…it can be true…can be false….so explore, establish absurd as absurd and then set your belief on that….Till then just explore…….

  • Majority of stories in the Bhagavatapurana are sex-centred. Author is obsessed with sex. Many of stories belong to areas of sexual deviation. Many great sages therein are seen to be incapable of controlling their libido. They are unable to control their anger. They are liberal with curses. There is no consistency in personality of characters. Many times stories offend sense of decency. These stories cannot be read to an audience comprising mother, father, children, children in law or even friends. A decent man would hang one’s head in shame on many occasions. Very occasionally, as in case of Rantideva, one would find guidelines for a generous, broadminded living. Ignorance of the author regarding geography, astronomy, human physiology and physics is monumental. I wonder how a such trash is still being read with great respect and worshiped in an age when material knowledge has advanced to such an extent that when a false thing is mentioned one can see it as false.

  • @Vasant,
    I don’t think really you read any chapter of Bhagavatam. Yes sure Bhagavatam speaks of dangers of lust, but never it is “obsessed” with sexual thought. Of course human character is not consistent because the sins and good merits often shape our thought process. Regarding curse and boons, when one’s mind is upset by another’s action or words, the other person will receive the curse. And vice versa in case of boon. The curse/boon works at all levels. But of course in case of great seers with lot of power, it will be amplified compared to ordinary people.

    Read Bhagavatam, atleast coupls of chapters before coming up with a prejudiced opinion.

    http://www.vedabase.com/en/sb?gclid=CJDyiIrVjNICFRQWaAodLu8L0w

  • @Vijay
    You have no means to know whether I have read Bhagavata or not. Therefore do not presume that I have not read it. I am not prejudiced. I have no reason to be. Had I not come across some revolting stories therein, I would not have made those comments. You may do some repeat reading of the book and see if my comments are in order or not. Will you kindly explain to me how graphic descriptions of Raasaleela can be harmonised with lofty spiritualism ?

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