Is The Virgin Mary Shedding Tears? Rationalists Investigate An Alleged Miracle in Kerala, India

Written by March 8, 2010 9:53 am 34 comments

Note: This article is an update on this story reported earlier. The author is the president of the Federation of Indian Rationalist Associations.

Disclaimer: This report is about an allegedly paranormal phenomenon reported in media. The report is the result of the visit of a team of rationalists to the place where the alleged ‘miracle’ has been taking place. It is part of an attempt to investigate happenings, under the section 51 AH of the constitution of India which outlines the duties of a citizen. It is not an attempt to hurt anyone’s religious sentiments or cause any friction between any groups belonging to the same or different religions. The team consisted of officebearers of FIRA and KYS.

After the statues of Mary shedding tears and blood it is the turn of flex prints now! In the St.Mary’s Jacobite Chapel, Kattachira flex prints of Mary img_0214with Infant Jesus have started discharging an oily liquid with an aromatic smell. On the 6th March some of us had the opportunity to visit the place, after our request was acceded to by Mathew Theodosios Metropolitan of the Kollam Diocese, under which the chapel is located. It may be recalled that this so-called miracle had hit the headlines in a section of the media in Kerala around October, 2009.

On reaching the place, we were taken to meet with the cor episcopal Abraham Mannikarottu and his group of priests and devotees, where there were heated debates about the Kerala Yuktivadi Sangham’s campaign, matters of faith and various such issues. Finally at around 12.30 we were taken around the place by the cor episcopal and his group. What happened is as follows in the form of a statement issued to him. Our opinions are expressed separately.

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Relevant points of the statement issued to the cor episcopal

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We were shown the following:

  1. One flex print from which an oily liquid was allegedly flowing out from the side on which the photograph is printed. We have observed the drops of liquid on the photograph and some drops allegedly of the same liquid collected in a tray in which the flex print had been placed.
  2. Some photographs of the above item have been shown to have oily droplets on them, supposedly coming out of them. The viscous liquid was also allegedly flowing out of the book of holy words(verse) kept on the altar.
  3. We were also shown vials of the liquid by the cor episcopal Abraham and also allowed to smell them. The odour was that of aromatic oil.
  4. We were not allowed to touch any of these objects or collect samples though we were allowed to smell it and take photographs.

We feel that more investigations are needed to establish the source and nature of this liquid. We categorically state that we are not certifying the authenticity of the alleged miracle.

However, we thanked the members of the church and Abraham Mannikarottu, cor episcopal for giving us the opportunity to visit the premises and conducting discussions with an open mind.

The church authorities have assured us of full cooperation if any investigations are conducted by govt. authorities in the premises of the church itself in the future.

Narendra Nayak

President, FIRA.

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Well, if that was the statement handed over to the authorities of the church who permitted us to conduct limited investigations during our visit to the chapel, here are our opinions based on our observations.

dscn2131Since we were not allowed to wipe the liquid drops off the photo flex prints to see if they would reappear, it is not possible for us to accept that the liquid was oozing out of them. Since the liquid was supposedly oozing out of the other prints of the same photograph kept in the same premises, we conclude that this is an attempt to confer some sort of holy status on the premises itself.

Though they possessed vials supposedly containing the liquid oozed out of the prints, the word of the church authorities is the only proof as to the authenticity of the story. In fact, there are indications that the flow of the oily liquid is the other way round, from the vials to the flex prints, through human agency! Though the miracle was supposed to be the shedding of tears by the photos, we were told that it was not tears but some oily liquid, probably in anticipation that it would be proved as not to be tears.

Again, after a prolonged legal battle between the two groups, the Orthodox church has been given possession of the churches, and this group, the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church, has now no church in this area. They are now conducting their worship in this chapel and the house in which the discussions with the cor episcopal were held. It can be also seen that there is a flow of pilgrims to this place and some local shops have opened for business, selling trinkets and other items. Since there was a crowd of the members of this church, it was very difficult for us to carry out any more investigations. The church authorities were not willing to hand over any samples of the liquid supposedly oozing out of the photos, under the suspicion that they could be tampered with. They were also not permitting us to handle the photographs or even touch them. All these rouse suspicion that they are trying to hide somethings from us. Though they were co-operative to some extent, they were not forthcoming in allowing to us to conduct more investigations into the nature of this liquid. It seemed to us that the liquid allegedly oozing out of these photos is going to be commercially exploited.

Since there were repeated statements about religious sentiments being hurt, we suspect that the same reason could be used to keep us from carrying img_0236out further investigations into this alleged miracle.

After our investigations were over we had a public program outside another church in the area, where we displayed a flex print of Premanand shedding tears, and also spoke to the public about various types of superstitions. While this was going on a section of the crowd barged in and tried to disrupt our program. Some of them were brandishing copies of the statement mentioned above and were shouting as if that was proof of us having accepted the miracle as genuine! However they were forced to retreat after we made our arguments that it was our program and we had the democratic right of expression and also that we never made any claim that Premanand was shedding tears by the same method as was happening in their chapel. I had to raise my voice at one among the crazed mob who was trying to snatch the print of Premanand’s shedding tears. We had to end the program at 7.30 pm as the license for using the PA system was only upto 7 pm. However, Gopinath continued his miracle exposure program without the PA system, shouting at the top of his voice!

So, there ends another investigation into an alleged paranormal phenomenon! The whole affair seems to be a stage-managed show, to confer special status on the plot where the chapel is located. The Kerala Yuktivadi Sangham is planning on conducting more investigations into the affair. As far as FIRA is concerned, the matter stands closed.

Update: March 18th, 2010

I have been sent an email by some one who says that the above ‘miracle’ has been reported from a house in a village nearby. He says that a very perfumed discharge started from the copy of the above photo and the photo has been taken away by the church authorities. He has also threatened me that unless I explain how the miracle occurs he will be inclined to believe that it is truly a ‘miracle’. I have erased that message and hence am forced to reply through this site.
Well, apart from the threats part which have no value to us, he wants to explain something without having any opportunity to examine it, touch it or even see it properly except under the supervision of the vested interests who have a hand in perpetrating and trying to perpetuate this.
Well, let me make the following clear:
1. The church authorities are the manipulators of the whole drama.
2. The perfumed oil has been put by some of these people when there is no one looking.
3. The oil has been introduced by the priests because it is non volatile and once applied can last for months together.
4. The whole thing is a drama to hoodwink the gullible people and try to introduce a sense of awe into people and importance to the place where the chapel is located.
5. I predict that there will be a drive to collect donations to build a church at the spot and get more gullible people to follow the alleged miracle.
people like you, the person who had sent me the mail are being led into this plot and are foolish enough to believe this without questioning.
After our visit to the spot the church authorities have tried to project as if we have certified to the veracity of the alleged miracle which have categorically denied in our letter. The church authorities who are masters of manipulation are perfectly capable of such things. In fact by the same day evening we have had people waving copies of the letter handed over to the cor episcopal as if it were a document certifying the veracity of the alleged miracle. That letter could have come to those people from only one source- the church.
KYS has called a press conference and has handed over the copy of the letter to the media. They have also categorically challenged the church to prover the alleged miracle under fraud proof conditions.
Going by the past history of these people like the Metropolitan, the co episcopal and his gang we now have no reason to believe that they are either innocent or honest.

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34 Comments

  • Great work FIRA Team.
    This could be some kind of polymer phenomenon under certain humid conditions or may be just that certain areas were sponged with this liquid.
    Or may be mother mary was really weeping, because ganapati has been drinking too much milk of late.

  • If it were any polymer phenomenon the other prints and book of verse kept on the altar would not be dripping with the liquid. It is a plot to confer some sort of supernatural power to the place and the contents of the photo! The copies of the same are not claimed to be shedding tears(sorry not tears-oil) when kept in other places.

    • Suneethi Sivakumaran

      I agree with you. I think people need to look at religion from a more scientific perspective. If one goes back into evolution, one would see how God, religion came into existence. Why doesnt Mary cry in USA? There are so many churches here where Mary doesnt shed tears. What is so special about this church in Alleppey that makes Mary shed tears? These are the questions people need to ask themselves and not believe just blindly.

  • I think that rationalists should use their time to study less stupid things, not this evident bullshit. I live in Italy, the centre of chatolics world and this things are quite common. They are are only for old women that belive everything.

    • You should have seen the crowds of idiots hovering there and the way publicity was being given. Stupidities like this are put forth as challenges to us. That is why we are forced to react.

  • a photo which collected from kattachira church is also shedding tears in Puthencruz in a house in puuthencruz town….i have seen that …feels like some kind of artificial condensation….and the important thing is that it happened yesterday night (14/3/10) and the puthencruz church authorities are planning to take shift the photo to the church today itself…….WHY THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO KEEP THE PHOTO IN THAT HOUSE….MAY BE THEY ARE PLANNING TO UPLIFT THE CHURCH NAME TO SOME LEVEL WHICH THEY HASD PLANNED…LET US INVESTIGATE….AND LET US FIND OUT THE REASON

    • Why should they allow that photo tobe shifted? The whole thing is a conspiracy to elevate the status of the spot where the flex print was first shown to be shedding ‘tears’ which they now say is an oily liquid and not tears!
      They might have treated the photos with an oil which has been absorbed into the plastic and then oozes out slowly. That is why they are not allowing any one to handle them.

  • I have been sent an email by some one who says that the above ‘miracle’ has been reported from a house in a village nearby. He says that a very perfumed discharge started from the copy of the above photo and the photo has been taken away by the church authorities. He has also threatened me that unless I explain how the miracle occurs he will be inclined to believe that it is truly a ‘miracle’. I have erased that message and hence am forced to reply through this site.
    Well, apart from the threats part which have no value to us, he wants to explain something without having any opportunity to examine it, touch it or even see it properly except under the supervision of the vested interests who have a hand in perpetrating and trying to perpetuate this.
    Well, let me make the following clear:
    1. The church authorities are the manipulators of the whole drama.
    2. The perfumed oil has been put by some of these people when there is no one looking.
    3. The oil has been introduced by the priests because it is non volatile and once applied can last for months together.
    4. The whole thing is a drama to hoodwink the gullible people and try to introduce a sense of awe into people and importance to the place where the chapel is located.
    5. I predict that there will be a drive to collect donations to build a church at the spot and get more gullible people to follow the alleged miracle.
    people like you, the person who had sent me the mail are being led into this plot and are foolish enough to believe this without questioning.
    After our visit to the spot the church authorities have tried to project as if we have certified to the veracity of the alleged miracle which have categorically denied in our letter. The church authorities who are masters of manipulation are perfectly capable of such things. In fact by the same day evening we have had people waving copies of the letter handed over to the cor episcopal as if it were a document certifying the veracity of the alleged miracle. That letter could have come to those people from only one source- the church.
    KYS has called a press conference and has handed over the copy of the letter to the media. They have also categorically challenged the church to prover the alleged miracle under fraud proof conditions.
    Going by the past history of these people like the Metropolitan, the co episcopal and his gang we now have no reason to believe that they are either innocent or honest.

  • The miracle of St.Mary shedding at Kattachira tears appears real in the following circumstances,videos of many wiping tears are visible.The reason said by many Jacobites are that Church and bishops have committed terrible sins recently and today church is a corporate company.Th church made an agreement transfering their holy site of St.Athanasious to their rival group without knowledge of their Indian archbishop and archbishop was betrayed by his close aids.The modern bishops are corrupt and one of them was dethroned by people in Malabar after severe corruption.The head of church Patriarch of Antioch recently made historic bull condeming corruption and gospel of prosperity but this was not read in churches in India,all this were reported in media and various church forums.Now weeping of St Mary entered Puthencruz capital of church is a clear message to top leadership to return to God.Many consider this as a warning from God or as bad omen caused beacuse of terrible sins committed by modern church.The priest actually wanted to hide this as it was shame but the common Jacobites only popularised this unusual event.The photo was transfered from house to church because otherwise believers and church will takeover the house and convert it to a holy place.

    • We are the least bothered about the so called sinners and the sinned against and the internecine struggles in between the various factions of your church. What we are bothered about it is the alleged miracle of the flex prints of the mother and child shedding ‘tears’. Once they were said to be tears when I insisted on testing it to prove whether it is so, the story was changed and it was called an ‘oily liquid’. If people are so much concerned about their houses being converted into churches if photographs start ‘weeping’ they could hand them over to us with a declaration that they are doing so voluntarily.We will be glad to accept them and keep them with us. Let us see who will have the courage to convert our houses to churches. We could also see that the authorities of this church have got a propensity convert houses into churches. In fact, our discussions with the Cor Episcopal and his following on March 6th, took place in some ones house which was also functioning as a church
      Whatever that is happening there is devious and we are not given any opportunity check the veracity of the alleged miracle. All that we are given are convoluted explanations and cock and bull stories. If either the church or the devotees in whose homes the alleged miracle happens were keen to get to the bottom of this matter they would have allowed access to us to investigate it. The very fact that all are trying to keep us out shows their superstition ridden mind set and all is not well.

  • Sheer Blasphemy!!!! For Centuries churches swindle around the middle class for the benefit of high class society and to refrain the common man from questioning their rights. I question if people actually believe these stupid and thoughtless approach by church. Our society is so dumb or do they pretend to be dumb? If the church is so damn confident about their belief, why on earth are they not prepared for investigation? Why don’t they allow to touch the photograph. Is your so called god so scrawny that it can be hurt by a human? God is supposed to be omnipotent. Let the rationalists touch and take samples. If its divine why you guys are scared? But you won’t do that. According to me Jesus was a revolutionary and who wanted a reform. He was just another human being. The Romans took advantage, cos there was a tension with the Jews. Giving him a status of god or son of god. Interpreting his teachings and giving him a divine status. He was called an atheist then, cos of his revolutionary ideas. That was then and this is what’s happening now. A bunch of shameless retards whose intention is to make capital. Christianity is full of conspiracy. Your teachings of the Resurrection, the central belief in Christianity is itself full of controversy. If am correct the Vatican interfered with the 1988 Radiocarbon 14 dating of the Shroud of Turin.

    @ Suneethi Sivakumaran.
    “Why doesnt Mary cry in USA?” This is really good one. Yes, our so called believers need to think about. According to me USA is much more advanced in technology. They don’t want waste time in these silly ideas to make people believe. There targets are aliens. Have you ever wondered Americans theory on Aliens. Have you ever thought Why Aliens visit only the USA? LOL…..

  • I can not believe people in this day & age are so stupid to fall for such con jobs.
    Absolute Blasphemy!!!! Listen up…They (Priests) are not believers they are deceivers…. You Christians are contradicting yourself. If you are a true believer you should have read the Bible. Do you know the 10 commandments given to Moses? Look at the irony, the second commandment says NOT TO EVEN MAKE A GRAVEN IMAGE and you retards are saying this as HOLY. No miracles are from your God, and what purpose would God have for making an idol weep? Laughing out loud. Secondly, The Bible says that in the End Times, there will be “spirits of demons, working miracles”. So even if a statue were really demonstrated to be weeping, it is a demonic manifestation, not of God… Trust me am Rolling On the Floor, Laughing…

  • I continue to receive posts on this topic and this means that it is relevant for you that live in India. I live in Italy and many of us are so tired of the absurdities of the strange polytheist religion called Catholic. This is a dangerous violent and absurd religion that “eats” the brain of people. There are some good people that help unfortunate persons but the prize of support is always the conversion. They are the owner of absolute truth. Holy mothers that cries are very old tricks: they are the result of an old fashioned culture that try to capture people feelings and to subdue them. Avoid catholic people, they want only to serve the roman pope and to send money to his organization.

  • hmm these miracles we did see in kerala recent times, and of course majority are in catholic churches only,, in one hill top pilgrim centre near my home @trichur dist there had it too.one of the cross built on the way made of concrete shed water,, people gather below that cross and offer prayers,, and the church authorities made a box for donation there ,, dont know what the hell happening in kerala these days,, and dont exactly know why so much catholics!! they r blind! dont they?? i never conclude..why so called commie goverment allowing these,,, i think they are puppets,,,ruled by these papel guys….

  • kumarpradeeksha

    the so called miracle? Happening many places even in Mexico.religious people always using this type of tricks to foolish the public.their god can do only this type of things.they are not able to save the human kind or punish this stupid fanatic men.

  • in bombay also before , ganesha drinking milk , making people fools, but people dont want to search reality , they want to believe

  • There is always the motive of money or power behind these cheap stunts. thanks to people like they are
    getting exposed

    • Yes. The motive was to make enough money to build a new church. Later on i came to know that the group who was promoting this so called miracle had been kicked out of the church they were occupying following some litigation. So, they had shifted. In fact when we reached there the church services were going on at a residence of a devotee nearby.

  • cant we find out wht material is using for this?

    • It is an aromatic oil shown off as emanating from the flex prints. Since we are not allowed to touch them or collect any liquid from them we have to take their word for it. It is common with many, I should say ‘miracles’ of this type.

  • Any idea about chemical compositions which can precipitate oils after a very long time???

    If anyone knows about such things please tell me.

    • must be mixtures of oils with gels which shrink slowly by losing water and as the size decreases oil too will ooze out like it happens to all gels. For that demonstration I had made a flex print of Premanand shed liquid tears as I had no idea about the exact nature of the so called miracle. But, you can see from the photos some streaks under the eyes of the flex print and since I was not allowed to examine it, I cannot be more specific.

  • Can we prove it if we could get the samples of liquid from the picture. Because this thing happened in my neighborhood.
    So I believe I could collect the samples,i am not sure but I want to knw if i could collect is it possible to test and reach in a conclusion?

  • As far as I know,they (neighbors) didn’t done anythng on dat for a publicity,bt they brought ths pic from a particular church and such incidents are happening to others in different parts of kerala,not every pictures from thr are weeping only a few…and they are not weeping immediately only after a certain period and it is lasting for about a certain period and it is precipitating again from the previous incident…anyway the chemical composition is really great.Those who made it ,i am sure they can contribute to science very well if they come forward :)

    • Could you please send me the picture itself? The liquid which those people showed was obviously not from the photo. I was allowed to see the containers(small vials) and was allowed to smell it.

      • But this case I myself witnessed the flow of oil from eyes, but it was a long back,if I could collect some oil( hoping some remaining will be still with them) how could I test to know the ingredients? if u can i could sent you the same.

        But anyway i need to check the availability,because i am not home now and going there this 26th.

        • Please do and try to send me the photo itself. I think it should be hygroscopic substance or a gel with some non volatile oil based perfume. I was not allowed to touch it but the priest took a little on his finger and held it to my nose and it was smelling like a mixture of sandal wood oil with some other things.

          • whoe whoe….I cannot send you the picture..they are considering it as sacred,if I took it then I will be the history :) … but if it is possible i can collect the oil..im not sure about that also..

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