The ‘Exact Science’ Of Nadi Jothidam
Nadi Jothidam is the name of an ‘exact science’ by which all details about a person can be told by consulting palm-leaf inscriptions attributed to Agastya Muni, a very famous ancient sage from the South. There is, supposedly, one palm-leaf inscription for every human on this earth, past present and future! Taking into account population explosion, the whole place should be chock full of palm leaves, but miraculously this is not so. This could mean two things- either the ancients had the foresight to know as to who would visit the place and hence only the bio-data of those visitors would be available,or the leaves are preserved in some format wherein terabytes of data could be compressed and stored. The prints would be taken after the candidate arrives on the spot!
Either way it goes to show the remarkable wisdom of our ancients! Anyway, after one arrives at the place their thumb impression is taken along with their date of birth. Then, the palm leaf pertaining to the individual is searched for. This is the source of the name Nadi- search. There are a number of write-ups praising its accuracy and there are blogs testifying to the same. There have been numerous accounts stating that the practitioners of Nadi have an accurate method of telling all about the past, present and future of any individual. All they need for identifying the right leaf is the thumb-print of the person and the date of birth.
On my travels with my friends, we happened to be passing by near where it was supposed that the ‘original’ Nadi leaves were kept- the Vaithishwara Temple near Chidambaram in Tamil Nadu. I decided to look into this matter here, along with Rajendran and Murugan from the Tamil Nadu Science Forum. I decided to follow Rajendra’s contact’s advice and look for Shiva Swami of station road who was supposedly the best of the lot and would charge only Rs. 500 per consultation.
When we reached the place at the entrance of the village there were numerous signs inviting us to the ‘original nadi jothidam’, ‘the one and only Nadi consultant’, ‘beware of touds’ [sic] (touts!) etc. On enquiring further, we found out know that the place was full of Shiva Swamis as it seemed to be the most popular name around. Thinking “a rose by any other name…”, we went to the nearest Shiva Swami. This too was probably already entered in my leaf! It was a toud who ended up taking us to this place despite our caution. On entry, we were told that we had come to the right place as it was the place where Agastya Muni had deposited his original collection of palm leaves. We were also told that it was a holy place, a madam- a hermitage (not to be confused with madam!), and not a commercial enterprise. On enquiry as to how much it cost, we were informed that it depended on what we wanted. If the interpretations were to be made in Tamil then it would be Rs.200 (~ $5, US), if translations were to be made it would be more. It would be fifty rupees extra for audio tape recording. I included the condition that the payment would be made only if what was said was correct, and this was agreed upon.
I was told to write my date of birth on a sheet of paper and two thumb impressions of my right hand were taken. That was all that was needed to look for the palm leaf with my life story written on it. It was, however, subject to availability I was told, as I was asked to sit down in a fixed place while the search for it was on. We declined this invitation and told them that we would go around the place and come later. When we came back after ten minutes, we were told that I was lucky as my leaf had been found, and that it would be read. When I asked the permission of the person reading it for it to be photographed, he declined. When I asked whether he would pose for a picture he was vehement in his refusal. Luckily, I had already managed to take a few pictures of the place and its fixtures.
The standard declaimer was put forth before the reading started. I was told that although all efforts had been made to get the script of my life, there could be some errors in interpretation. So, I had to answer yes or no to statements made about my life.
First I was asked where I came from. When I replied Udupi, he said that had been accurately mentioned in his leaf. The next question was whether I was a Brahmin or not. When I asked what the leaf said, I was told non-brahmin. When I said yes, he made the very earth-shaking declaration that I was a non vegetarian! I asked him to go on and he said that both my parents were alive. Since, both of them are no more, he said that the inference had been probably arrived at, by the presence of their souls on earth! I had made no attempts to send them to heaven by performing the required rituals. I was also informed that my father had been a government servant and had retired. That would have been news to him if he were alive. He had never worked for anyone else in his lifetime. Then I was told that I too had been in government service and ha retired (that last part is not a very difficult conclusion going by my age!) The Pais of Manipal who had been my employers at Manipal University would be glad to hear of this elevation in their status from an influential family to a government organization. The next statement was about the day of my birth and I was told that I had been born on a Monday and under Makara Rashi. When I replied I did not know whether either of them was true or false, I was told that I am a Muslim!
Then I was told the following:
1. I owned the house in which I live (true) and so did my father (false).
2. I had two wives (I haven’t met the second one yet)
3. I had two children from my deceased first wife and for their sake married for the second time. I misled him here saying that my first wife was not deceased, but I had divorced because she had no issue. The children were of my second one. The interpreter of Nadi fell into the trap and agreed with me. He also said that there was a small error in his reading.
4. I had two brothers and one sister. This is true but when I said it was wrong he changed it to one brother and one sister.
5. My fathers name starts with one of the dozen alphabets listed. When I said no, he followed with a dozen other alphabets. When I replied in the negative again, he was flabbergasted.
About thirty minutes had passed and getting tired of this, I told the Nadi reader that most of what he had said was nonsense. He got angry at this and told me that I should have been honest with him. I replied that he should have known about this because his own Nadi leaf would have contained the information that his powers would be tested on that day. When I asked him whether I had to pay for all the rubbish that he had told, he flounced out of his own establishment with the Nadi leaves pertaining to my life under his arm, leaving us there. After waiting for a few minutes for him to come back, we came out. By then I had gathered how the so called Nadi fortune tellers manage to make ‘accurate predictions’ of the past and future.
The leaves are just a prop for them. They are covered in scribbles which only the Nadi reader can supposedly interpret. The information about the client is gathered by the following methods:
- The client and those accompanying them are asked to wait until the proper leaves are found. During this time they are asked to wait in a room which is wired and the conversation is spied upon.
- The interpreter is a clever ‘cold-reader‘. He notes the reactions of the client and those who accompany them, to check the accuracy of the predictions.
- Pointed questions are asked to ‘predict’ the background of the clients- questions like caste, religion etc.
- Names and other specific details are rooted out by trying to guess the first alphabet of the word followed by the second one and so on by a process of elimination.
- Most of the information is provided by the client from our reactions to yes or no questions or from subconscious body signals. In my case, since I am quite experienced in providing misleading body signals and since those accompanying me had no knowledge about my personal matters, the reader was not in a position to acquire any knowledge about me by this method, thus playing into the trap.
Once the Swami realized that he was being misled and that I was a hard nut to crack, he backed out. So much for the ‘accurate science’ of Nadi Jothidam!
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hallo sir and madam its me ganesh i am allso a naadijothidar if you need cont me in the way of naadijothidam.ji@gmail.com and +919894237344 first time allways free
You can read my latest write upon that when we visited vaitheeswaran kovil again in June,2011 which has been also filmed for the program 60minutes of an Australain TV channel
This is the article that Prof. Nayak is talking about.
Well, there may be many imposters and fake guys going about conning people, but the place i went to was legit (Kanchipuram – Sri Agastyar Naadi). They only took my thumb impression and the first letter of my name. Infact i was forbid from opening my mouth at all because i had doubted them earlier and they told me they would prove their genuiness. And to my intense disbelief, the guy got my Naadi, read it, drew my entire horoscope (which i verified with my dad and found to be extremely accurate!) and proceeded to tell my life’s story. I was shocked to say the least, because not only did he mention a lot of private things which only i knew, the time of their occurence was also very accurate. So guys, if you really want to experiece the real deal, go to a legit place…. One can always learn cricket from Federer and claim cricket to be a stupid sport or there is always Sachin to learn from. Go to the right places for the right information.
Hello Akshay,
I would appreciate if you could share the contact detils of the geniune Nadi reader you approached in Kanchipuram – Sri Agastyar Naadi.
Thanks & Regards,
Sanchit Dalvi
Hey Friends…
Good Morning.
Who said Nadi Jothidam is fake??? I had experience about Nadi Jothidam and it’s 100% true.
My future predictions are going true…. with exact 100%.
Just trust & find good readers around you.
Hai, I seen your information. I am very happy. Where did u see your Naadi jothidam. who read predictions??
Can u pls let me know??
My mail id prabu.icici @ yahoo.com
Very few Nadi readers actually know the business. Interpretation is not easy. The Leaves are not always available either.
Only your thumb impression needs to be given. After taking out the leaves, they might ask you one or two yes-or-no questions to confirm that the leaf is yours.If your answers are ‘no’, they go to other leaves.
If you can believe that your life is pre-determined enough to even have it recorded by Agastya etc beforehand, you can also believe that your getting cheated by the fake reader is also pre-determined. Be not angry, therefore.
If all is pre-determined, how does knowing about it all help you? You cannot change anything anyway!
You seem to have missed the point. The article is not just arguing that the author got cheated by a fake astrologer. the article argues that the entire thing is fake.
“If you can believe that your life is pre-determined enough to even have it recorded by Agastya etc ..”
Life is pre-determined by natural causality, but you are making an irrational leap in logic by implying that it means Agastya recorded everything. That whole idea is superstitious nonsense.
This is another method to fool the person and encash his ignorance by bringing into picture the great saint Agasthya.
How it works….. just read on
Demi-gods or lower gods also finds a place in creation. Some of the services of the lower gods are easily purchased for a “joint-venture” or so to be called. The percentage of profit is agreed from the temple they purchase and has to be given to the temple failing which the results could be disastrous. It is not possible to cheat the demi-gods as the demigods are after all divine incarnations.
When the victim approaches the astrologer for help, the astrologer asks various queries – as mentioned above. The answers of these queries are actually questions posed to demigod to get the correct identity of the person. Once it is got, all other past details are easily available by the demigod. These details are only heard by the astrologer. This may sound unscientific but really is not.
Demigods are unable to accurately predict the future and hence the predictions are mostly not correct. Demigods are also used by astrologers, sooth-sayers, magicians, fraud god-men who materialise processed goods from scratch, which really is only shifting i.e, dematerializing, shifting and rematerializing.
How I came to know about it?
I have a friend who is an ardent Shiva devotee and made a small portion of his house as Shiva temple. He has been a Shiva Devotee and has been continuing for the past 25 yrs or so. But their hereditary god is a demigod. It seems the hereditary god also wanted to be revered and so he wanted a separate temple for it. HE WAS ALSO GIVEN THE PRIVILEGE of asking questions (or thinking and posing questions) to demigod and he would get the answer ABOUT PAST AND INCIDENTS.
But my friend never used this privilege for monetary gains. For those who come with problem, he just queries it and suggests solutions for their well being. He has helped me many of times – a couple of them to say – when I misplaced very important file in my office and also when my colleague created havoc for creating bad name for me in office.
When I wanted to know about the practice of Nadi Astrology I asked for his help and he let me know the actual functioning of it by querying it with demi-god.
Sage Agasthya no doubt was a great sage. But it is ridiculous to say that he wrote the names and fate of persons before 1200 yrs as if everything is destined and future generations does not have free will at all.
I just wanted to share the information. It is the wish of the readers to believe or not. If at all you believe, please share the information and prevent the cheats from taking over.
i want to say you only onething clearly that all persons will not have the chance to see Naddi astrology. If they are blessed soul means only, it is possible, or else they cannot go into that place. ok?
You can identify a fake nadi astrolger if he asks your Date of birth. With your DOB one can get the horoscope and predict based on that. A true nadi astrologer only gets your thumb impression.
i want know about nadi jothidam. its rly true.
it’s true mens. i want to know abt my life.
I had also visited Naadi Astrologer Agathiyar Durai Subburathinam at Sri Kousiha Agathiya, Mahasiva Vaakiya Naadi Jothida Nilayam, West Tambaram, Chennai in December, 2008. They found my palm leaf after asking around 10-15 questions. The past and the present were 100% accurate with they telling me the names and professions of my siblings, wife etc. They even made my birth chart and it matched with the actual one I have. I was surprised. But the predictions for the future were all wrong i.e. 95% wrong.
They asked me to visit 6 temples in the south and I spent 2 days visiting them and doing the pariharams. They took around Rs.9000/- from me to do a puja for me which they said would continue for a year and that they would send me a yantra by post on completion of the puja. They also took Rs. 3000/- plus puja materials for Guru Deeksha.
Now it is more than 19 months and I have not received any yantra inspite of making many phone calls. They have a strategy. They send you some bhubhuti/ash and vermillion/tika 3 times during the puja year and write that the puja is continuing so that you rest assured throughout the year that your puja is being done and that you will get your yantra after the year ends. But all goes in vain. They spend Rs. 100 out of the Rs. 9000/- in sending you the tika.
I have their recorded cassette and hand written notebook with me and everything is predicted wrongly. My naadi reader was Raja Sakthivelu and inspite of my calls, he has not bothered to send my yantra. I am sure there has been no puja performed and they fleece people in the name of Lord Shiva. Now I have stopped caling them becos there is no point wasting more money on the calls. I even wasted a couple of thousands more in the taxi they arranged for me to take me around the temples for two days.
I have the details of the payment I made to them for the said puja.
I was made to understand that this was the most genuine naadi
centre in the world. How can one dupe people of their hard earned money in the name of God when they should know clearly that all this fraud would ultimately harm them? How long can you deceive God? I have left it now on God to give them their deserved punishment.
One thing I have noted that this naadi shashtra is akin to the Bhrigu Samhita which can also accurately tell your past and present but not the future. I had visited Bhrigu Sadan long time back but they did not fleece me. The Panditji was a genuine person and advised me pujas to be done at home by any knowledgeable acharya I could find in my city.
This Naadi thing, based on my and my friend’s experience is the biggest fraud perpetrated in the name of Lord Shiva by these Mundus. I hope He shoves his Trident up theirs soon.
Regds
hi i have never known about the nadi shastra but my relatives and friends told me and i visited them once i just gave the thumb impression and they said all the detais like my date ofbirth, names siblings parents, our jobs, what we studied why i was not married when it would happen etc.About the future i am sure u r all experienced enough to understand that even nadi reader is not god if he could predict that then he wouldnt be sitting and reading nadi. I guess as long as he is saying lot of things right without even taking date of birth is a great thing. if u look at lot of other astrologers who r at nook and corner of the areas they r the one fleecing people along with priests in the temple. just choose a good nadi reader and i am sure u will get the right information.thanks..
One would be better able to understand by researching and trying to remove the darkness with the light of knowledge
May I request the inquisitive mind to go through the contents in the below weblinks and do a self investigation…
Cold Reading:
http://skepdic.com/Hyman_cold_reading.htm
Nadi Astrology:
http://www.bhavapuri.com/rayudu/NadiAstrology.html
One respects the insights gained by an “impartial mind” without strings attached to the thoughts of Ancient wisdom and New age discoveries. For all that matters is the awareness one gains in the moment of knowledge.
We all know the classic prayer of the Hindus :
“ Asatoma Sadgamaya !
Tamasoma Jyothirgamaya !!
Mrithyorma Amrithangamaya !!! ”
It says,
“ From un Truth, Oh Masters, lead us please to the truth.
Lead us from darkness to light, from mortality to immortality.”
It means :
“Oh, Knowers ! Oh, Helpers ! Please help us ! ”
And the Masters do answer the aspirants this way :
“ Uddharedatma naatmaanaam, aatmaanamavasaadayeth !
Aatmaivahyatmano bandhuratmaiva ripuraatmanaha ! “, in Krihsna’s words.
The Masters says
“ You have to lift yourself through your own self. You should take care not to fall. You will, by your own hope, by your own efforts, become a Master ”.
This is the constant refrain of every Master.
“ Only you can be your friend. Only you can be your foe ”.
In peace