The ‘Exact Science’ Of Nadi Jothidam

Written by October 30, 2008 7:46 pm 207 comments

Nadi Jothidam is the name of an ‘exact science’ by which all details about a person can be told by consulting palm-leaf inscriptions attributed to Agastya Muni, a very famous ancient sage from the South. There is, supposedly, one palm-leaf inscription for every human on this earth, past present and future! Taking into account population explosion, the whole place should be chock full of palm leaves, but miraculously this is not so. This could mean two things- either the ancients had the foresight to know as to who would visit the place and hence only the bio-data of those visitors would be available,or the leaves are preserved in some format wherein terabytes of data could be compressed and stored. The prints would be taken after the candidate arrives on the spot!

Either way it goes to show the remarkable wisdom of our ancients! Anyway, after one arrives at the place their thumb impression is taken along with their date of birth. Then, the palm leaf pertaining to the individual is searched for. This is the source of the name Nadi- search. There are a number of write-ups praising its accuracy and there are blogs testifying to the same. There have been numerous accounts stating that the practitioners of Nadi have an accurate method of telling all about the past, present and future of any individual. All they need for identifying the right leaf is the thumb-print of the person and the date of birth.

On my travels with my friends, we happened to be passing by near where it was supposed that the ‘original’ Nadi leaves were kept- the Vaithishwara Temple near Chidambaram in Tamil Nadu. I decided to look into this matter here, along with Rajendran and Murugan from the Tamil Nadu Science Forum. I decided to follow Rajendra’s contact’s advice and look for Shiva Swami of station road who was supposedly the best of the lot and would charge only Rs. 500 per consultation.

When we reached the place at the entrance of the village there were numerous signs inviting us to the ‘original nadi jothidam’, ‘the one and only Nadi consultant’, ‘beware of touds’ [sic] (touts!) etc. On enquiring further, we found out know that the place was full of Shiva Swamis as it seemed to be the most popular name around. Thinking “a rose by any other name…”, we went to the nearest Shiva Swami. This too was probably already entered in my leaf! It was a toud who ended up taking us to this place despite our caution.  On entry, we were told that we had come to the right place as it was the place where Agastya Muni had deposited his original collection of palm leaves. We were also told that it was a holy place, a madam- a hermitage (not to be confused with madam!), and not a commercial enterprise. On enquiry as to how much it cost, we were informed that it depended on what we wanted. If the interpretations were to be made in Tamil then it would be Rs.200 (~ $5, US), if translations were to be made it would be more. It would be fifty rupees extra for audio tape recording. I included the condition that the payment would be made only if what was said was correct, and this was agreed upon.

I was told to write my date of birth on a sheet of paper and two thumb impressions of my right hand were taken. That was all that was needed to look for the palm leaf with my life story written on it. It was, however, subject to availability I was told, as I was asked to sit down in a fixed place while the search for it was on. We declined this invitation and told them that we would go around the place and come later. When we came back after ten minutes, we were told that I was lucky as my leaf had been found, and that it would be read. When I asked the permission of the person reading it for it to be photographed, he declined. When I asked whether he would pose for a picture he was vehement in his refusal. Luckily, I had already managed to take a few pictures of the place and its fixtures.

The standard declaimer was put forth before the reading started. I was told that although all efforts had been made to get the script of my life, there could be some errors in interpretation. So, I had to answer yes or no to statements made about my life.

First I was asked where I came from. When I replied Udupi, he said that had been accurately mentioned in his leaf. The next question was whether I was a Brahmin or not. When I asked what the leaf said, I was told non-brahmin. When I said yes, he made the very earth-shaking declaration that I was a non vegetarian! I asked him to go on and he said that both my parents were alive. Since, both of them are no more, he said that the inference had been probably arrived at, by the presence of their souls on earth! I had made no attempts to send them to heaven by performing the required rituals. I was also informed that my father had been a government servant and had retired. That would have been news to him if he were alive. He had never worked for anyone else in his lifetime. Then I was told that I too had been in government service and ha retired (that last part is not a very difficult conclusion going by my age!) The Pais of Manipal who had been my employers at Manipal University would be glad to hear of this elevation in their status from an influential family to a government organization. The next statement was about the day of my birth and I was told that I had been born on a Monday and under Makara Rashi. When I replied I did not know whether either of them was true or false, I was told that I am a Muslim!

Then I was told the following:

1. I owned the house in which I live (true) and so did my father (false).

2. I had two wives (I haven’t met the second one yet)

3. I had two children from my deceased first wife and for their sake married for the second time. I misled him here saying that my first wife was not deceased, but I had divorced because she had no issue. The children were of my second one. The interpreter of Nadi fell into the trap and agreed with me. He also said that there was a small error in his reading.

4. I had two brothers and one sister. This is true but when I said it was wrong he changed it to one brother and one sister.

5. My fathers name starts with one of the dozen alphabets listed. When I said no, he followed with a dozen other alphabets. When I replied in the negative again, he was flabbergasted.

About thirty minutes had passed and getting tired of this, I told the Nadi reader that most of what he had said was nonsense. He got angry at this and told me that I should have been honest with him. I replied that he should have known about this because his own Nadi leaf would have contained the information that his powers would be tested on that day. When I asked him whether I had to pay for all the rubbish that he had told, he flounced out of his own establishment with the Nadi leaves pertaining to my life under his arm, leaving us there. After waiting for a few minutes for him to come back, we came out. By then I had gathered how the so called Nadi fortune tellers manage to make ‘accurate predictions’ of the past and future.

The leaves are just a prop for them. They are covered in scribbles which only the Nadi reader can supposedly interpret. The information about the client is gathered by the following methods:

  1. The client and those accompanying them are asked to wait until the proper leaves are found. During this time they are asked to wait in a room which is wired and the conversation is spied upon.
  2. The interpreter is a clever ‘cold-reader‘. He notes the reactions of the client and those who accompany them, to check the accuracy of the predictions.
  3. Pointed questions are asked to ‘predict’ the background of the clients- questions like caste, religion etc.
  4. Names and other specific details are rooted out by trying to guess the first alphabet of the word followed by the second one and so on by a process of elimination.
  5. Most of the information is provided by the client from our reactions to yes or no questions or from subconscious body signals. In my case, since I am quite experienced in providing misleading body signals and since those accompanying me had no knowledge about my personal matters, the reader was not in a position to acquire any knowledge about me by this method, thus playing into the trap.

Once the Swami realized that he was being misled and that I was a hard nut to crack, he backed out. So much for the ‘accurate science’ of Nadi Jothidam!

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  • V. Balakrishnan

    Dr. Nayak’s effective dissection (and deconstruction) of this so-called “exact science” (of “Nadi Jothidam”) has been followed by several excellent comments on “how it’s done” by some discerning readers. One would think that the matter ends there, and that this particular bit of charlatanry has been laid to rest forever. But no! “True believers” continue to argue for the veracity of this patently fraudulent scam, even though Dr. Nayak responds every now and then and sets the record straight with apparently infinite patience! I’m forcefully reminded of the final line in the comic “Asterix and the Soothsayer”. After the soothsayer fraud has been thoroughly and completely debunked, and things are apparently back to normal, some of the villagers still voice a lingering “Maybe …”. Whereupon Getafix the Druid laughs and throws up his hands, telling Asterix, “Hopeless! Asterix, they’re hopeless!” Delusions do seem to be immortal!

    • Well said, Mr. Balakrishnan.

      I think there are going to be people like Yogivivek who are going to peddle this nonsese, and there are alwasy people who are going to go them no matter what evidence you provide. My own relative was scammed by these astrologers for lacks of money aprarantly for doing parihamams to cure his illness. He died in the end . Poor man could have lived longer if he had seeked medical help instead.
      And these trolls like Yogivivek campaigning for these scammers. I cannot beleive how they sleep in the night whent they are scamming out of innocents.

      But I am pretty sure this article and the comments help open the eyes of many who would think twice before dishing out their money. Even if we could put sense into one guy, the efforts of Dr. Nayak is worth it!!!

    • Dr Nayak is in an illusionary world Mr. Balakrishnan . Not only he has illusions but also ina deep trance. Time and again i explained the true practitioners of this invaluable guide to human life leave alone cheaters , looters and scamsters.. But I find this site and its dogmatic writers stick to their worn out unscientific temper and go on beating their drums…..We could wake up only those who sleep but not theones who pretend to sleep … I am reminded of the extensive rituals done at the cremation of Dr.Anantha moorthy inspite of him being an atheist…

      • Raveendranath,

        You accuse the writer as “unscientific”. Do you even know how science works? Forget science. Do you even have a clue as to what “burden of proof” means? I’m pretty sure you don’t. So stop wasting everybody’s time and learn how science works. Then prove whatever it is that you want us to believe.

      • I am reminded of the extensive rituals done at the cremation of Dr.Anantha moorthy inspite of him being an atheist

        About that smug, craptastic remark. If anything, it shows how deep rooted the illness of religious ritualism is. It’s quite possible that the family went ahead with the rituals to avoid any controversy or maybe they themselves were religious and were afraid that if the rites were not done, URA’s atma would be stuck somewhere. A person’s atheism is something that they chose. What happens after their death is something they cannot chose. But religious apologists like Raveendranath will make a merry dance anyway. Because that is how shallow their religion is – an atheists death becomes vindication of their nonsensical faith.

  • Thanks V Balakrishnan when you said,

    “Hopeless! Asterix, they’re hopeless!” Delusions do seem to be immortal!

    A friend of mine said it in opposite context!

    Recently, my friend came to know that I have posted comments on the forum debunking the Nadi Palm leaf predictions.
    He said, ‘All right, Good luck to you !’ When asked ‘Why?’, He said, ‘You will get standard type of responses:-
    1. The case of Nadi palm leaf predictions is already open and shut.
    2. It is simple trick of obtaining the information from you by many subtle ways, when ready they start telling the same, pretending as if the same is being told from ancient palm leaf.
    3. No one goes in to the details of writing on the palm leaf as it is kept untouchable under the garb of as piety and what not!
    4. Notebooks are not required to be examined as the hoax of the Naadi readers is uncovered by many in the past by champions like B. Premanand, Dr A. Kovoor and many stalwarts including Dr. Nayak etc.

    My friend shaking his head said, ‘Don’t bother about debunkers. They are hopeless. They will pretend to unearth the truth, because they are not interested to know the truth. They just want to propagate the theme of negation on the subjects they do not believe in. They will not do anything except to circle around the Naadi leaf readers and cold reading theories etc. If you ask them to study cryptic Tamil language writings etc they will flatly refuse.’

    I asked in puzzled mind, ‘What is really required by them as per your expectations?’
    ‘Just because you as my friend are asking, so listen’, he said. ‘I like to tell you.’

    There are many who really want to know about the Naadi Palm leaves and matter written on it. There are some group of persons silently conducting the study of the same. They have decoded the script without the help of Naadi readers and concerned persons. They have independent observations to make. They neither rule out the possibility of some handy work to extract money from clients by Naadi centers, nor they debunk the whole of Naadi palm leaves as matter of laughter. To them the nadi readers are mere readers. They have skills of reading what is written in the palm leaf. Hence to those groups, what is written in the leaf is more important rather than drumming about cold reading theory etc. Their view is Nadi palm leaf matter centric rather than Nadi reader centric.

    They have studied the thousands of nadi notebooks of the persons, who have handed over them for study purpose. They keep discussing the results and record them for further study. Some indological institutes have shown interest in their study from the language point of view.
    He further said, ‘You may post these words. and WATCH THE REACTIONS they will either neglect the comments and / or drum the same tape again and again.
    Thus in his eyes, not soothsayers but “Hopeless!” are the debunkers”

    • @yogivivek,

      Looks like you are going to campaing for these con artist and support the swindling of money out of innocent victim. If you have a hidden agenda, come out clean man. Just pretending to be some sort of skeptic while peddling this stupidity is complete nonsense.
      If you or your friend has any data, provide it. You just keep going on an on without giving any evidence.

      WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE THE DATA?

      • “There are some group of persons silently conducting the study of the same. They have decoded the script without the help of Naadi readers and concerned persons”
        WHERE THE HECK ARE THESE STUDIES? WHERE IS THE DATA ?
        I THOUGHT YOU WERE GUILLIBLE – BUT YOU ARE CROOKED PEDDLER OF THIS SCAM.

  • “Looks like you are going to campaing for these con artist and support the swindling of money out of innocent victim. If you have a hidden agenda, come out clean man. Just pretending to be some sort of skeptic while peddling this stupidity is complete nonsense.
    If you or your friend has any data, provide it. You just keep going on an on without giving any evidence. ”

    Dear Sir,
    Thanks for your angry but frank comments.
    1. I am no peddler for any Naadi readers.
    2. I Have no liking for astrological predictions. Hence no hidden agendas.
    3. My friend had read some of this type of discussion on some forums and articles. Hence his views were mentioned.

    This forum is for frank discussion. Dr. Narendra Nayak has broached the topic. Thus procuring evidence, like Nadi readers’ cold reading tactics, is also his prerogative. He has done to his ability. If some new angle of getting nadi leaves examined has been brought out by some readers, it’s he who should take initiative to examine those aspects of Naadi Predictions related Literature. As previously said, his further probe in subject is expected as an honest and sincere expert in debunking activities.
    He too like me will appreciate if you could extend all possible help to find out more about what is written in the palm leaves. I am ignorant of Tamil language, otherwise I too could have been of any use in this regard.
    Dr. Narendra Nayak may have many friends and followers who are expert in Tamil language and scripts. For him getting fresh reading done, and obtaining notebooks for the same is matter of pride and prestige. His reputation for debunking is at stake.
    Thus asking for proofs from others is not as significant as for you and me. Let us wait for Dr. Nayak’s future research on the topic.
    To, Dr. Nayak Sir,
    Hope you will not say, ‘I have done probing to my satisfaction. Don’t as me to do any more.’…

  • All this article shows is that this particular practitioner is a charlatan. It is unscientific to infer that the science itself is false. Indeed, every practitioner in existence might be a charlatan and the science itself might still be true. Hence, it proves nothing.

    • Dear Alexander Duncan,
      What a coincidence!
      Happened to get some written material of one person Martin Kola from Czech Rep. while reading your remark about article by non believer group.
      His leaf was found in Prague. In his leaf some description regarding him was given. In addition, a sentence was seen that you may not be aware by You were my Disciple in past life called Machha (Muni). Machha Munihas authored Naadi palm leaves which are available in some centers in Tamilnadu. He is revered by many. Here in this leaf Maharishi Agasthya says to this Martin, “You desired to meet me hence I have arrived in your country!” these stanzas were written in normal readable Tamil in a notebook. A friend, expert in Tamil script and language had translated the same verses where in his and his parent and spouse’s names are mentioned.

      However these die hard Skeptics will never rethink on these scripts as they have already closed this case for further srcritiny…

      The Script is appended below:-

      ஒத்துவரும் செய்பாக்கியம் பின்னுமுண்டு
      ஓதமகன் மார்ட்டின்தான் தந்தைபேரும்

      நத்தும்தாய் யெனா மோனிகாயில்லாள்
      நலமாய்வும் முப்பானும் பஞ்சச்சார்பில்…
      ottuvarum ceypākkiyam piṉṉumuṇṭu
      otamakaṉ mārṭṭiṉtāṉ tantaiperum
      nattumtāy yeṉā moṉikāyillāḷ
      nalamāyvum muppāṉum pañcaccārpil…

      You shall beget children supporting your faith and belief even in the future too. Thus you, your name shall be Martin – which shall be same as your father’s name. Your mother’s name shall be Yena and Monica shall be your wife. You shall, at around your age of thirty and five, come to analyze your Nadi predictions.

      வினைசிறப்பும் என்சீடா நீயேமச்சா
      விரும்பிஉனை உன்தேசம் தனில்காண
      இணையாகும் வசதிகளும் குடும்பமுண்டு
      இல்லவளும் அன்பொத்து காலம்மட்டும்…
      viṉaiciṟappum eṉcīṭā nīyemaccā
      virumpiuṉai uṉtecam taṉilkāṇa
      iṇaiyākum vacatikaḷum kuṭumpamuṇṭu
      illavaḷum aṉpottu kālammaṭṭum…

      My disciple, you are Machcha. With a desire to meet you, look I have come to your country! You are already blessed with completeness of life; in addition to that you also have a loveful consent from your wife, such is the present situation in your life.

    • Check my later one on this site- the fraud of Nadi jotidam which will give you more details about many more of them.

    • Ha, you have no udnerstanding of science buddy. it us up to the people who support Nadi to show proof.
      If you are hell bend on paying some guy who has not even a elementary education blabbering some nonse, go ahead and knock yourself up.
      This is bullshit….

  • Alas!! This waste discussion is still not over?? Anyone who is discussing on this site about Nadi or anyother spiritual experience is like talking about Monalisa painting to a blind……..If time pass is your forte Go…on….

    • It is because this link comes up frequently when people google nadi jotidam to find out about it. They get disappointed and then put up their comments. I had purposely tilted it as the science of nadi jotidam. I think ‘spiritual’ experiences can be best discussed in list of bars. Menon, I know truth can be pretty painful particularly to those whose reason has been blinded by faith.

      • @Menon,
        You are not going to convince these people. Like our friend Yogvivek who keps throwing garbage at this forum.

        But the good thing is that the google search brings up this article and there are sure going to be some among the many who may start to think.
        So let us keep fighting….

  • Let us have a really more objective test of Nadi jotidam. Since the wise rishi munis have already put down the future in their leaves let any one who wants to verify join this test with me. We could go to any nadi practitioner qs it would be already pre ordained as to who shall read my future it has to be right choice, I shall have a sealed envelop with things inside, particularly things like currency notes and papers with things written on them, let my leaves be searched for(it would not be difficult as it would have been pre ordained)and tell the contents. I would be glad to award one million rupees to the person taking up the challenge. Only one precondition the challenger will have to place with me a refundable deposit of 1% of the amount(ten thousand rupees) which will be refunded along with the prize money if the predictions are right. Otherwise this amount will be forfeited.
    All those who have confidence in their so called ‘science’ can come forward and take this challenge instead of engaging in futile discussions. Any takers?

  • ou shall beget children supporting your faith and belief even in the future too. Thus you, your name shall be Martin – which shall be same as your father’s name. Your mother’s name shall be Yena and Monica shall be your wife. You shall, at around your age of thirty and five, come to analyze your Nadi predictions.

    வினைசிறப்பும் என்சீடா நீயேமச்சா
    விரும்பிஉனை உன்தேசம் தனில்காண
    இணையாகும் வசதிகளும் குடும்பமுண்டு
    இல்லவளும் அன்பொத்து காலம்மட்டும்…
    viṉaiciṟappum eṉcīṭā nīyemaccā
    virumpiuṉai uṉtecam taṉilkāṇa
    iṇaiyākum vacatikaḷum kuṭumpamuṇṭu
    illavaḷum aṉpottu kālammaṭṭum…

    My disciple, you are Machcha. With a desire to meet you, look I have come to your country! You are already blessed with completeness of life; in addition to that you also have a loveful consent from your wife, such is the present situation in your life.

    @menon
    It is waste of time and effort so long it creates doubt in the mind of readers who have different experience. To avoid this situation a third party decision by Tamil language and scripts expert should be conducted.

    • @Yogivivek
      all your talk about Prague is made up.

      Show me the proof buddy.

      You are just making up stories about some guy from Prague and throwing up some random stuff in Tamil.

      I can also say that there was a Nadi leaf for President Obama and that it predicted that he would win the race for white house and bla bla

      I know you are a charlaton working for a nadi guy and he is propably paying you a commission……

      • I was just wondering as to why these Nadi buggers I went to had no leaf which would ahve told them that a fellow called Narendra Nayak is going to come and give you all false info and mislead you!
        This happened so many time I went to these guys. Again, nothing prevented them from taking money from us too!

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