Cow’s Excreta as Medicine: Insult to Humanity

Written by October 4, 2008 3:53 am 136 comments

The cow is, at the least, an animal domesticated by man for help in agricultural activities.[1]  Although the mighty machines now used in farming have made these animals irrelevant in agriculture, valiant attempts are being made, at least in India, to preserve the exalted position of the so called ‘second mother’ [2] or even ‘mother of the world’ [3,4].

The stringent agitations to protect the ‘cow-mother’ [4,5] and even riots and murders of dalits for the sake of the cow,[6,7] suggest that the human life is far less important than a dead cow in this part of the world.[7] This extraordinary reverence for the cow has led to the development and marketing of many ‘products’ made from the secretions and excretions of the cow, with claims that these products may be more ‘lucrative’ than even the dairy.[8]

‘Cow Products’

The list of ‘products’ developed from the milk and excreta of the cow is quite long. Panchagavyaand cow urine distillate (gau arka) are the most quoted of these preparations.

Panchagavya is a blend of five (pancha) products obtained from the cow (gavya = from gau) – the dung, urine, milk, ghee and curd.[9,10] Three preparations of cow’s urine, namely gau-mutra asav (fermented preparation), gau-arka (or distillate) and Ganavati (or tablet) are also used as medicines.[8,11] Two US patents have also been obtained for the gau -arka [11] and this fact has been highlighted over and over again.

Various products from the cow have been suggested as a successful remedy against more than hundred diseases, from fever to cancer.[8,11,12] Panchagavya is most reverentially used as a ‘body and soul cleanser’, following the birth or death of a family member. It has also been suggested as a medicine and more profusely as a pesticidal spray for plants and as a soil enriching manure.[10]

Very recently, panchagavya has been suggested as a remedy for chikungunya as well.[13] Cow’s urine has been used in the preparations of hair oil, shampoo, skin cream etc.[8] Preparations like soap, nasal powder, body powder, body cream, incense sticks, tooth powder etc. have been prepared from the cow dung and recommended for medical use[8]. Probably to add sanctity to the entire gamut of these ‘medications’, it has been claimed that Indian pure breed cows have ‘immunology power’ from 90% to 98% while the cows of mixed breed have less than 40%.[11]

The ‘evidence':

Curious to know about Panchagavya, I asked an Ayurveda physician about its utility. She briefed me about all the virtues of the gau mutra (cow’s urine), gau maya (cow dung) and Panchagavya, quoting the Charaka Samhita. But how can we, living in the 21st century,  rely on an ancient text to justify the use of these excreta, I wondered. All these have been well studied by Charaka, she told me. May be, but the concept of biochemical molecules (and the modern biochemical analysers) and of microbes (and the means of isolating them) were non-existent during Charaka’s time, I countered. But the cow’s urine hasn’t changed since Charaka’s time, she averred. I was dumbstruck!

Most articles on the virtues of cow’s excreta extensively quote from scriptures and the Charaka Samhita. Here are some of these arguments:

  • The cow is our mother and we are her children. Therefore cow urine is beneficial.[8,11]
  • Diseases are caused by imbalance of elements bile, mucous and air and cow urine balances elements.[8]
  • Amongst urines, cow urine is best.[8]
  • Ganga resides in the cow urine and it contains copper and gold salts, which are elixirs. It does not decay, older the cow urine, the more useful it is.[8]

Recently a lot has been written about the patents for cow urine; one obtained on the basis of laboratory studies (on culture plates and cell lines) on the usefulness of cow urine distillate in enhancing the efficacy of antibiotics and anti cancer drugs, [14,15] and the other patent obtained for cow urine therapy.[16] There are reports of the use of cow’s urine therapy from Myanmar [17] and of a cow’s urine concoction used as a traditional remedy for convulsive seizures in Nigeria.[18] There have also been reports of studies on the cow’s urine distillate in gouty arthritis, lymphocyte and polymorphonuclear cells and carbon tetrachloride poisoning, all done on experimental animals in small numbers.[19-22] These results have been extrapolated freely and wild conclusions have been drawn about the ‘magical powers’ of the cow’s urine in treating almost all the diseases afflicting mankind today.[14,17] Even the Department of Animal Husbandry of the Ministry of Agriculture, Government of India, has published reports that seek to promote the marketing of cow’s urine as a therapeutic agent.[23]

The facts:

Faced with this blitzkrieg of marketing of cow’s urine and the real danger that cow’s urine and other products of cow’s excreta may be pushed into the throats of hapless patients, with active support from the govt., agencies., it is time we look into the facts.

One need not go far to see the hypocrisy of the ‘cow urine promoters’ than have a look at the ayurveda texts themselves, extensively quoted as the primary source of support for the utility of cow’s urine as a therapeutic agent. All three major ancient texts of ayurveda, by Charaka (1st-2nd century), Susruta (3rd –4th century) and Vagbhata (7th century) mention of the therapeutic uses of beef[24,25] as well, but this fact is no where mentioned by the proponents of cow’s urine. Eating beef is a sin and drinking cow’s urine or eating its dung brings health, if these self-styled guardians of ancient Indian tradition are to be believed.

What about the much touted patents for cow’s urine? A patent is a set of exclusive rights granted by a state to an inventor to prevent or exclude others from making, using, selling, offering to sell or importing the invention.[26] Nothing more, nothing less. A patent in itself cannot be the proof for the utility of any product. It is hardly surprising that while International patents have been registered for cow’s urine and its products, no such patent has been obtained from the Govt. of India. An Indian patent may not make enough and weighty news, but an international patent, on the other, helps to claim that even ‘foreigners’ have accepted the virtues of cow’s urine!

All the studies available in the literature about the therapeutic efficacy of cow’s excreta are small studiesconducted in the labs and on animals or tissues. There are no reports of any controlled, double blind clinical studies in humans, other than some anecdotal reports and claims by the practitioners of ‘cow therapy’ and all these so called claims of research appear dubious by any scientific standards.[27] Most of these papers contradict their own claims: the claims made about the gold and copper salts in urine, for example, are not supported by the data provided by the protagonists themselves.[8,28]

Urine is urine, the liquid waste that is filtered by the kidneys and excreted through the urinary system. It contains many solutes and biological products that are unnecessary for the living body and hence excreted and also some substances secreted by the urinary tract to facilitate this excretion. Chemical constituents of human and animal urine are almost alike.[28,29] For example, Urokinase is an enzyme secreted into the urine to prevent its clogging; today, it is extracted from human urine and used to dissolve clots in the coronary arteries in patients who suffer a heart attack.[30] Does this justify drinking one’s own urine in case of a heart attack? Far from it.

Is cow’s urine safe for mankind? There are reports of severe adverse effects, even fatal, of drinking cow urine concoctions, further supported by experimental evidence.[31] Cow’s urine can also be a source of infectious diseases, especially leptospirosis, [32] that can spread through oral mucosa. The claim that cow’s urine and cow dung have antiseptic properties is not only baseless, but also dangerously misleading. While cow dung (and all fecal matter) is teeming with bacteria excreted from the intestines, several bacteria have been isolated from Panchagavya too.[33,34] Application of these bacteria-rich excreta onto wounds may lead to life threatening sepsis. Only those who are absolutely ignorant about such facts can daringly market cow’s excreta as antiseptics, but the tragedy is that some practitioners of modern medicine, blinded by their faiths in their ‘spiritual heads’ or ‘Mathadhipathis’ also appear to support such nonsense.

Conclusions:

It is clear that cow’s urine and other excreta are only the waste products rejected by the animal’s body and are similar to the excreta of other animals and therefore, there is absolutely no reason why the cow’s urine or other excreta should be venerable over those of humans beings or other animals.

The claims of the efficacy of cow’s excreta (and their products) in the treatment of almost every disease are not supported by any evidence and there are no clinical trials reported on the use of these products in human beings. With reports available about the possible adverse effects of the use of cow’s excreta, it is shocking that such products are being allowed to be not only marketed but also trumpeted, even supported by the agencies of the govt. of India, as the ‘cure-for-all’ wonder drugs.

Propaganda regarding the utility of cow’s excreta largely emanates from the obscurantist and Hindu fundamentalist forces and appears to be designed to condemn the ordinary human beings into ingesting cow’s excreta under the alibi of ‘treatment’ and ‘long life’. This is not surprising at all, given the several instances of the down trodden dalits forced into eating even human excreta by the same fundamentalists.[35]

Eulogising the cow (and not buffalo and other cattle that are equally ‘useful’) as ‘second mother’, ‘God mother’, ‘mother of the world’ etc., largely because it provides milk,[11] (and hopefully not because of its excreta) raises a fundamental question about the concept of motherhood itself: Do we love and respect our own mothers solely because we have been breastfed and is motherhood only about milk?

This entire exercise of marketing the cow’s products and promising huge economic benefits (a claim not supported by any data) of keeping the cows even after they have passed the age of secreting milk  is part of the grand design to prevent the slaughtering of the cows so as to deprive the poor sections of the society from quality meat as well as some economic benefits of marketing the beef. But sustaining the livestock is proving to be very costly for the environment, with a large share of global warming attributed to the livestock.[36,37] It is time we take a rational view of all the issues involved.

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  • HEY KAKKILAYA,
    DONT TALK RUBBISH.
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    A COMPLIMENT FOR NIRMUKTA TEAM AND FOR YOU
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  • I’m leaving this comment here to serve as an example of the irrational, childish and sadly laughable attempts at criticism that are thrown at those who attempt to have a decent conversation.
    Not to mention desecration of a good Sanskrit word. Blasphemy!

  • thank you Ajith kamal,
    I would like to know the meaning of ” decent conversaton”
    can you enlighten us?

  • The meaning of “decent conversation” should be apparent to a primary school student. For the sake of those younger, here are some qualities:
    1. Address the issues.
    2. Do not resort to name-calling.
    3. Agree to adhere to a reasonable standard of logic (Degrading the Sanskrit word “nirmukta” by making it a meaningless abbreviation is illogical AND silly)
    4. Not being condescending (May god bless you? At least most believers are honest enough to say what they really feel- that we will burn in hell or that we will suffer in the next birth, just two out of thousands of the terrible fantasies that religions use to placate those who need authoritarian moral guidance)
    5. Have an open mind to the evidence.

  • THANK YOU
    BUT THERE ARE NO DECENT LISTENERS( SPECIALLY U ALL)
    WHAT EVER EXPLANATION GIVEN, IS NULLIFIED WITH PREJUDICE, BIASED AND ONE SIDED OPENIONS.
    BEFORE STARTING OF THE CONVERSATION, WE SHOULD BE BROAD MINDED AND RECEPTIVE.
    IF YOU ARE ALL DETERMINED TO DISAGREE, THEN THERE IS NO MEANING IN DECENT CONVERSATION.
    GOOD BYE TO NIRMUKTA…………..FOR EVER.

  • Dear Paramesh, Broadmindedness is NOT accepting anything and everything without questioning or reasoning. And not accepting a particular argument cannot be considered as prejudice, why should it be? Everyone has the right to disagree. And that is precisely the scientific approach. So many have tried and are still trying to prove Einstein or Darwin wrong and they are all welcome to do so. But calling names just because one cannot stand up to the argument is not science; in fact that can be considered as prejudice or even cowardice. And repeating the same thing again and again cannot be an explanation; repeating a lie a thousand times does not make it a truth, it would still remain a lie.

  • Paramesh,
    I’m still waiting for you to say something substantial on the issues we are discussing. Notice that your entire response to my request to stick to the issues is to continue with unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks.

  • Indian_the_patriot

    As a rationalists, we should know that guys like paramesh are incapable of discussing any of their belief with reason……..thats why they are irrational…….Doesnt it, the name calling, pretense call for objective argument from paramesh shows the clear evidence of his lack of knowledge, intelligence and reason ?…………

  • Dear Srinivas,

    This article is interesting. I really appreciate your thought flow. As you have discussed about US patents of go-mutra, do you feel the work is worthless?

    I don’t think so. They have done it scientifically by extracting the go mutra distillate using solvents, separating the fractions, fixing the dose and establishing the bio availability enhancing properties of antibiotics, nutraceuticals and anticancer drugs as well.
    Moreover the usage of gomutra has been well known to every body. If Gomutra -arka (Distillate), is processed aseptically and used, I don’t foresee any problems imparting the health of a person. In fact it might improve the general health as it is having bio-availability enhancing property wider range of molecules. I feel it is completely harm less and useful if it is used aseptically.
    Yes it’s true that much of research is required to prove its efficacy as a medicine. By seeing the current scenario of research in India, I don’t think it would be possible to perform lot many clinical studies which require lot and lots of funds. If is proven harmless and useful it can be used, promoted further. There is no need to be insulted only because its an excreta of cow.

  • Thank you for your interest. I have not expressed anywhere that the research on cow’s urine is worthless. Anyone is free to conduct ‘research’ on anything that one feels worthy, urine, feces, blood, anything. Equally, anyone can patent anything, from mere ideas to products.

    But trying to sell a product to the gullible public on unproven claims is definitely objectionable. Can the safety of cow’s urine be ensured just because some one ‘does not foresee any problem’ or does it require meticulous studies? Can this yardstick be used for the many drugs that are being developed by the modern pharma? Can a new drug be introduced into the market just because some one feels it is effective and safe? Will the govt., ever allow such things? If not, how can cow’s urine be allowed?

    As for the issue of insult, would it be equally uninsulting and reverential to drink the urine of other animals, say dogs, cats or pigs or even fellow humans, of the same or different caste?

  • Dear Srinivas, I alway appreciate the questioning of some concepts by some one so that the good comes out. This churning shall always brings out butter. As you have told that there is no evidence on the safety and efficacy of the gomutra arka. In the process of drug discovery the experiments on animals give lot of information on the safety and efficacy of drugs. Similarly in the patents granted to go-mutra arka, the patents applicants have submitted that the dosage of gomuthra is fixed scientifically. For fixing the dose one has to conduct toxicity studies (both acute and chronic) on the animals. Only if any drug passes the toxicity studies then only dose is fixed by scientific way i.e. maximum of 1/4th of the maximum tolerable dose or by finding out ED 50 values. The animal experiments have proved that aqueous fraction of gomuthra arka is safer and efficacious in enhancing the bioavailability many molecules/drugs ranging from simple molecules to anticancer drugs. In addition to this I had gone through the records presented by one Dr. Piyush Mishra (an Ayurvedic practioner and incharge of Jaipur goshal run multi facility hospital) of Jaipur Goshala. In that records he had shown that he had treated 1200 patients with renal damage. The clinical examination before and after treatment with gomuthra have indicated that the renal functioning has been improved in most of the cases he has treated. All the documents presented in a conference in Nagpur in the year 2004 was authenticated by doctors who were treating the patients earlier. Even he has presented one of his patients in the conference also.

    One of my teacher Dr. S. Ramachandra Setty, who is also honarary research director in Swami Vivekananda holistic health and research center had informed me that he has data of six patients who were suffering from the HIV. After combined with eliminative naturopathy with gomuthra arka for three months the quality of life of those six full blown AIDS patients has improved and all associated infections like TB, Maleria, etc., started responding to the respective treatment. Those patients were observed at regular intervals for about 12 months. In addition to this several researhcers are claiming the utility of gomuthra arka by conducting scientific experiments.

    Though the official clinical trails including doubli blind studies is not conducted, the clinical data available and claims of several ayurvedic practioners are indicating the same. Similarly the gomuthra has been used in Ayurvedic system of medicine since the ages for several purposes.

    In addition there is one more interesting research is going on that the treatment with Gomuthra and go milk removes the toxicity of Nux vomica seeds. The results of this research has yielded wonderful information on the ancient knowledge of detoxification process called Shodhana process (Due to some patenting reasons I am not disclosing the data in detailed here).

    There are no strong evidences against the usage of gomuthra arka or pancha gavya. If patients are happy and if they feel that the quality of life of them have been improved by gomuthra, then there is no need to orgue against them. It seems your objection is against commercialisation of gomuthra marketing and usage of gumuthra concept by hindu fundamentalists. But I am of the opinion that we can not oppose a good treatment concept on the grounds that it will be misused. Similarly one can not totally oppose the concepts of Ayurveda on the grounds that it has not bee filtered through modern scientific methods. It has to be viewed from its own scientif basis not by wearing the glassed of Allopathic system of medicines. Therefore instead of opposing on the grounds that it is misused, if it is useful and being time tested why con’t we open mindedly accepted the time tested concepts of Ayurveda.

    I hope you will accept the scientific data in this regard.

  • Very interesting. Let the research go on. But any research must follow some basic principles of scientific study and two important ones are the ability to stand peer review and reproducibility when someone else performs the same study. While going through your comments, I did not find any references to such peer review. I request the ‘scientists’ to submit their work to some reputed, modern scientific journals and get the work reviewed. Any drug needs to undergo a double blind trial to take care of the factor called chance. Without such a study, it is difficult to attribute the benefits or otherwise solely to the drug. And it is naive and dangerous to suggest that ayurveda formulations need not undergo rigorous tests; in that case, anything can be marketed as an ayurveda drug. And if so much useful, why can’t the ayurveda drugs stand the scrutiny of simple scientific studies?

    So the request is simple: Conduct meticulous, double blind, randomised, multicentric, large scale studies of all products of the cow’s excreta, get the results peer reviewed and published in some modern journals and then start marketing the products. Scientific methods are universal and simple, and they do not mean allopathic methods. Allopathy, incidentally, subscribes to these scientific methods and we wish that ayurveda too would.

    And we are opposing cow’s excreta due to reasons cited here above and not merely because it is supported by the Hindutva brigade. Incidentally, the Hindutva brigade does not care about evidence, truth, facts etc., on anything that they talk about.

    • Chemical description of cow urine as per modern concepts and cure of diseases accordingly.

      Table – Chemical contents of cow urine and cure of diseases as per them.
      S. No. Name of chemical Effect of chemical on diseases
      1. Nitrogen N2 ,NH2 Removes blood abnormalities and toxins, Natural stimulant of urinary track, activates kidneys and it is diuretic.
      2. Sulphur S Supports motion in large intestines. Cleanses blood.
      3. Ammonia NH3 Stabilizes bile, mucous and air of body. Stabilizes blood formation.
      4. Copper Cu Controls built up of unwanted fats
      5. Iron Fe Maintains balance and helps in production of red blood cells & hemoglobin. Stabilizes working power.
      6. Urea CO(NH2)2 Affects urine formation and removal. Germicidal.
      7. Uric Acid C5H4N4O3 Removes heart swelling or inflammation. It is diuretic therefore destroys toxins.
      8. Phosphate P Helps in removing stones from urinary track.
      9. Sodium Na Purifies blood. Antacid
      10. Potassium K Cures hereditary rheumatism. Increases appetite. Removes muscular weakness and laziness.
      11. Manganese Mn Germicidal, stops growth of germs, protects decay due to gangrene.
      12. Carbolic Acid HCOOH Germicidal, stops growth of germs and decay due to gangrene.
      13. Calcium Ca Blood purifier, bone strengthener, germicidal, ?? Rakta skandak ??
      14. Salt NaCl Sanyas vishamta ?? decreases acidic contents of blood, germicidal
      15. Vitamins A,B,C,D,E Vitamin B is active ingredient for energetic life and saves from nervousness and thirst, strengthens bones and reproductive ingredient for energetic life and saves from nervousness and thirst, strengthens bones and reproductive power.
      16. Other Minerals Increase immunity
      17. Lactose C6H12O6 Gives satisfaction. Strengthens Mouth, strengths heart, removes thirst and nervousness.
      18. Enzymes Make healthy digestive juices, increase immunity
      19. Water (H2O) . It is life giver. Maintains fluidity of blood, maintains body temperature
      20. Hip uric Acid CgNgNox . Removes toxins through urine
      21. Creatinin C4HgN2O2 Germicidal.
      22. Aurum Hydroxide AuOH It is germicidal and increases immunity power. It is highly antibiotic and anti-toxic

      • Srinivas Kakkilaya

        Can you please provide some references for these claims? Can I say that Cow’s urine also contains gold and diamonds?

        • Dear sir,
          I shared something I learnt by my own experiences and in fact these chemical effect are proved by allopathy.I am open minded i am ready to learn from you also .I have some question.where are the worlds most dangerous bacteria’s are found and what is the cause of increased resistance power?

          • Srinivas Kakkilaya

            Dear Rohit, All I have asked is the refernce (author, title, journal name,year, vol, issue, page no) for this statement of yours
            >>in fact these chemical effect are proved by allopathy.<<

            Have I said anywhere that only what I know is knowledge? I want to learn from you, so please give me the reference

        • Does this mean all that you know is knowledge and what other say is useless.I have posted some question .Sir please answer those questions.hope i can learn something new

  • This is a great response, Srinivas. I had read the previous comment and was going to ask just one thing from the previous commenter.

    “Can you provide double-blind studies that have been published in peer-reviewed journals, so that we can all look at the data?”

    But you have already taken care of that question!

  • Srinivas, Excellent article, its common sense that urine is a waste product. But blind believers like poster paramesh are an example of close mindedness as a result of early indoctrination into the supernatural. Sad but true. And your response to the other poster on the “science” is excellent. Charlatans.

  • Ancient teachings or texts does not automatically mean knowledge. The body of knowledge in modern times is obviously far ahead of ancient texts ( when very few humans lived past age 25 !) which are vague interpretations and full of semantics trying to make sense of the world. Scientific discovery is a continuous process and the only way ahead.

  • It’s unfortunate to note that you don’t have strong data to prove your fact as well. In fact you are self styled.
    Also you seem to be stupid, because otherwise you wouldn’t talk about grand-design in the conclusion (since there is no proof of that). It seems you have a propaganda of going against things rather than being scientific.

    No scientist/researcher would quote wikipedia, since the content is not peer reviewed, nor does it remain the same in a couple of days after you publish.

    I agree that in the past scientific method was probably not practiced in determining usefulness of cow products for medicine. The same is true about this article: no scientific work. Your conclusion that, animal excreta cannot be useful as a medicine is totally unqualified. You have no results to prove that. Experiment on mice doesn’t necessarily prove for humans/cows as well.

    “Do we love and respect our own mothers solely because we have been breastfed and is motherhood only about milk?” is totally unrelated to the topic in question. There’s no reason why one shouldn’t honor the cow as mother after drinking its milk. And only a crooked mind can think that doing so would demean mother!

    In conclusion, this article is worth discarding because it’s not a product of a passionate researcher but of a goof who wants to oppose things for the sake of it.

    • Srinivas Kakkilaya

      With all your posturing and expletives, you have chosen to respond to this stupid, goofed up piece! Great!!

      >>Your conclusion that, animal excreta cannot be useful as a medicine is totally unqualified. You have no results to prove that. <<
      Do YOU have any results to show that excreta can be used as medicine/s? If yes, show them. If there are no such data, then it is clear that animal excreta cannot be used as medicines. If you show me evidence to the contrary, I will change my stand.

      Do you have data to show that a cow is very much equal to man's mother? And to give equal respect – huh! Why not a goat, a camel, a buffalo or a yak whose milk are also consumed by humans? Why are they not equal to a human mother? Why are their urines and shits not sacred and medicinal?

  • faith heals.
    more the faith, more the healing.

    it is not the Cow urine that heals.
    it is the faith of the person taking it that heals him.

    • Srinivas Kakkilaya

      Faith in what? The Cow or its urine?

      • kuldeep singh

        Faith arising from belief that cow urine heals.

        • Srinivas Kakkilaya

          Ho! So it doesn’t help the ones without faith! What about modern medicines? Do they heal the faithless?

          • kuldeep singh

            What can I say?
            I have seen people getting well on modern medicine irrespective of their faith.
            I have personal example where my three year old chronic joint pains, on which modern medicine had no effect, were healed when I made a prayer for forty days to my God.

            How do we understand what heals? We can only say that modern medicine is mostly effective and it might become even more effective if supplemented by faith. I think this faith business needs more research rather than being discarded as religious mumbo-jumbo.
            What if it really works?

          • A couple of quick questions:

            1. Have you heard of the placebo effect? Do you know that most modern medicines must only do a small percentage better than the placebo effect to be accepted?

            2. Do you do or read up double blind studies of every medicine you prescribe or do you put your *faith* in what medical representatives tell you?

            Thanks. Just curious how a “rationalist” practices medicine…

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    1. There are better and safer placebos than cow’s urine, even if it acts so.
    2. I do not rely on anything from representatives and I do not attend any lunches/dinners/meetings/conferences hosted/supported by drug cos. There are enough resources available to get updated. There are different levels of evidence available for drug efficacy and cow’s excreta does not find a place in any of them.

  • I didn’t much like your article, mostly because of its style and its emotional propaganda. I believe that this article reflects your honest opinion and that you yourself; your friends and colleagues have probably laughed at the stupidity of people drinking urine and expecting healing effects.

    It is worth to note that the major component of amniotic fluid is urine, so we have all been floating in the stuff for 9 months. It can therefore hardly be harmful to the human being.

    When scores of cultures throughout the world’s history have promoted urine therapy for healing, could it mean that there is something REAL behind all of those claims?

    Medical companies extract proteins and other components of human urine using them in beauty creams and medicine; is that just coincidence?

    Or maybe modern medical industry is just capitalizing on an old knowledge using innocent do-gooders like the yourself to propagate their propaganda.

    Have more faith in yourself and your own culture, everything that comes from the west is not gold, and many Indians might be poor and uneducated, but you still have the largest unbroken body of knowledge about the human being, in the world. Trust in the thousands of years of tradition that you own, and use science to tell you where that ground is solid and where it has been spoiled by dogma.

    The mistake is to take the arrogant western approach and assume that only our way of looking understanding and recording reality is valid.

    • Your comment apparently exhibits your honest opinion too. I sincerely believe you do not see the flaws in your argument, so here we go:

      Para 2: firstly, amniotic fluid is NOT the same thing as urine.
      http://www.nature.com/jp/journal/v25/n5/full/7211290a.html
      Moreover even if we agree that something is not harmful, we don’t use it as medicine.

      Para 3: Arguments from antiquity? Really? Just open any page on this website to find out why ancient things are not necessarily good for us.

      Para 4: Yes, proteins are used in medicines because they are a fundamental part of living cells, including the discarded ones. So waste is occasionally a good source for proteins, as you say. BUT, one useful component – even a hundred- do not negate potentially harmful or downright redundant ones.

      Para 5: a conspiracy theory. Sigh. Big pharmaceutical companies make drugs which save lives on a gigantic scale. If that is their conspiracy, I’m all with them.

      Para 6 and 7:I agree: there are many things in our culture to be proud of. It is indeed humbling to know that we are the part of a culture which can justly call itself ancient. However, tradition cannot explicitly dictate the present. We have to prune out the pointless and detrimental knowledge to ensure progress. Our ancestors, who lacked most of the information about diseases, tried the best they could with what they had. Our current medicines are, without argument, superior to ancient remedies.
      Furthermore, and this is most important, what you call the “western approach” is the scientific method, which is not only intellectually satisfying but also actually demonstrable. Since you haven’t offered another method of knowing things, I’m at a loss to say any more.

      If you do not have the patience to read, just count the number of people healed by urine. Then compare this with the number people healed by “western approach” and “modern medical industry”. Do the math and reach your own conclusions.

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    Firstly, India has much better things for its glory than cow’s urine. In fact anyone who promotes cow and cow’s urine as symbols of our greatness is only insulting India, not me.
    I have repeatedly requested for one piece of evidence that proves the use of cow’s urine in treating any one disease. So far no one has come forward. That urine contains certain chemicals which are used by modern medicine do not make urine itself as therapeutic. Can we inject urine intravenously for a heart attack rather than urokinase? Will any one smear their body with urine for moisturization instead of urea?
    Questioning is very much Indian, not Western. Charaka Samhita is written as questions and answers! If asking questions is anti national, there is no bigger insult to our country.

    • In France, when they wanted to increase the muscles of policemen, researchers collected Human Growth Hormone from urine of human beings, Simplest and most efficient means of getting hormones was collecting the output of policemen themselves.

      HGH was very costly those days. It may be costly even now.

      A study of ‘Methyl Cobalamin’ vs synthesized equivalent ‘Cyno Cobalmin’ will tell the Rationalists a lot about synthesizing vitamins , hormones etc.

      Today in Scientific American Journal, Dr. Linda Birnbaum explained that Chemical Soup in which human beings live today can be very toxic.

      Dr. Birnbaum has 700 scientific papers to her credit. In great scientific journals, which Indian rationalists barely can dream.

      In simple language she explained the gist of her work.The equivalence method of chemical toxicity.

      Coming back to our topic, a cow has much greater mass, more output, and is naturally more tranquil. Will its morning urine contain more dopamine… equivalent?
      May be some more hormones? useful to men/women/children?

      [A lion/lioness may also have many more hormones, but it may not be very accessible to normal people.]

      Since rationalists absolve themselves of responsibility of conducting any research at all, they may be doing purely guess work. Of course they can always resort to quoting scientific journals selectively. Any way western scientist do have better instruments BUT they may not be interested in Indian type of research.

      Unless big companies smell money in this. Then of course rationalists will have no compunction in swallowing THE BULL SHIT.

      -rkk

      http://www.nature.com/news/chemical-soup-clouds-connection-between-toxins-and-poor-health-1.11881?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20121127

      • Satish Chandra

        Unless big companies smell money in this. Then of course rationalists will have no compunction in swallowing THE BULL SHIT.

        Everyone, including rationalists, are subject to biases. But rationalists at least know that they are subject to biases and admit it openly. Take this prominent rationalist, for example. Instead of believing every insinuation a biased mind can cook up, he applies some principles, which rationalists everywhere use, like being aware of the mind’s bias and guarding against it. And the result is a book which, contrary to a popular delusion, takes the pharma industry to task.

    • I quote,

      “Hormonal levels, for example, vary between mothers who breast-feed and those who don’t. Oxytocin — the “love hormone” that helps nurture emotional bonding between infants and mothers and is involved in breast milk let-down — is higher in breast-feeding moms. But psychological aspects are also likely at play.”

      Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/20/is-breast-milk-the-key-to-mother-baby-bonding/#ixzz2DUCU5Is1

      -rkk

      • Captain Mandrake

        What does the mother’s milk have to do with your craving for cow’s urine?

        • Hormones in the milk. Also hormones in the cow urine.

          Have them investigated, perhaps they may have some relevance.

          If you care to read the previous response, I make this point, more eloquently there.

          [ 15 seconds attention span is a relevant concept, though. It needs a deep thinking mind to connect modern with ancient.]

          [To discard any thing, is easy. People go to great length to discard even good advice.]

          Do not forget the psychology and social conditioning which can affect feelings right in early childhood.

          Beef eating for example precludes considering cow as mother.

          It is also meaning less to expect ancients to publish in modern journals. They were experimentalists in their own right, though.

          They could create compounds of noble metals by repeated heating and dipping in cow’s urine.

          One can therefore remove the ammonia smell and urea etc. and use cow urine for hormones it may contain.

          Of course taking care that the cow is not forced [by human greed] to feed on garbage dumps.

          -rkk

          • Captain Mandrake

            Why worry about hormones in the milk and cow urine when there is a much easier way to promote cow urine?

            Cow urine is 99% water. Humans can not live with out water. So humans should drink cow urine.

            Simple.

          • Srinivas Kakkilaya

            The article is not about constituents of urine, but about making and selling of go-arka as a remedy for human ailments. If you can kindly provide one paper published anywhere that proves such benefits, that would help all of us and would be a great leap forward for humanity. If that does not exist, let such marketing stop immediately. We are looking for modern papers, not ancient, for the marketing is happening in modern times.Going around in circles does not help anyone.
            As far as motherhood is concerned: Do we need any substitute? Can we substitute? Is that sane?

    • Dr.Kakkilaya waits for ‘one paper’.

      Another rationalist ‘now’ is woken up to ‘bad science’.

      Both must have very limited resources to conduct own research ‘in unbiased way’.

      Let us understand true rationalism. We all should no doubt be against bad science.

      Therefore it will be instructive to find out how many papers in total papers were in fact ‘bad science’

      1. 20 years back?
      2. in the inter wining years till date?

      Cow is a different matter altogether.

      We know that British ‘scientist’ fed their cows high protein diet in most ‘rational’ manner.

      Rational according to them. And most unfortunately also according to not-so-well-read Indians.

      The cows immediately developed Mad Cow Disease [BCS] and being best beef industry, Britain burnt minimum MILLION COWS to death.

      Even today beef , chicken etc industry keep their animals most UN-hygenically.

      The point is different: Earlier human beings [in India ] found a good technological solution to health, economy, social life AND spiritual life, around them.

      Plastic bags were not discovered in those days, people and animals did not choke in their own garbage dumps. Actually it is more in-human to live near garbage dump for humans, and it is pitiful to eat plastic bags along with garbage of humans for cows.

      Earlier days cows ate grass.

      People were gently introduced to preserving their resources, time and again.

      .

      Foreigners are not most clean people on the face of earth… because they are BORN that way.

      They are clean ONLY because of punishment by, law of their country.

      I try to pack a wider perspective in limited place and limited words.

      I understand however, where the India’s ‘so called rationalists’ come from.

      Therefore no offense meant, no offense taken.

      -rkk

      • Srinivas Kakkilaya

        The proof must come from those who claim its benefits. All modern drugs undergo such studies before being marketed. Expect the same for go-arka. Where is that one piece of evidence? Going round and round is of no use.

        • Sorry No paper ! You may want to wait for a paper from the beneficiary. Which is not the way I see the science progressing.

          By the way here is a report in TOI about a paper in Journal of Pain. On beneficial effect of Yoga on neck pain.

          http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health/Yoga-effective-in-treating-chronic-neck-pain/articleshow/17451482.cms

          Dr. can, and will act in following two ways:

          1. Be a super referee to discard whole paper,

          2. Claim this is a paper on yog, and not on cow excreta.

          I will repeat again : the genius of ancients lies in recognizing an abundant, regenerative source of useful chemicals.

          The rationalists repeatedly tell about scientific method.

          REMEMBER THIS FACT :

          Good Science is in service of men/women nature and all.

          Bad science is in service of god knows whom.

          This is a simple fact. Call it ‘going round and round’, till you wish.

          -rkk

          • Srinivas Kakkilaya

            Here is the abstract
            http://www.jpain.org/article/S1526-5900(12)00779-1/abstract
            and the conclusion: The effectiveness of yoga in chronic neck pain should be further tested by comparative effectiveness studies with longer observation periods.

            We need not discard this paper.

            And ancients did not use yoga for treatment. Quoting Charaka Samhita to justify yoga or urine therapy is gross insult to Charaka Samhita itself.

          • The rationalist definitely can wait for final results when science will conclude.

            In the mean while they can continue to use non steroid pain killers.

            As they earlier used very very scientific Steroid pain killers.

            They must wait for one paper that will solve all the problems.

            I remember having said on this very site much earlier that yog is not meant for improving your physical health alone.

            The physical health is one of the great side effects.

            Yogies also know that ‘Shiryate Kshne Kshane.. iti sharirh’.

            Sant Gynaneshwar said .. ‘Madyhana chi chhaya jay vegi’.

            ‘Therefore Do Not Waste Valuable Time (and Life)’.

            Yogies only distinguish between ‘bad’ and ‘good’.

            Not worrying too much for either.

            Here ‘too much’ is the key word.

            Not ‘not worrying’.

            -rkk

          • Satish Chandra

            rkk,

            Your charade of intellectual dishonesty has gone on for long enough.

            You remember steroids with alacrity, but conveniently ignore what the life expectancy is today.

            Nobody claimed science is perfect. It is a diversion you chose to harp on because you can’t admit the fact that ancients are not perfect.

            A paper is a starting point. To show that biases have been acknowledged and corrected for.

            But when ancient egos are at stake, ignoring the requirement to vet for biases is most desirable. Hence you move goal posts with the contorting adroitness of a Ramdev baba.

            A dummy made of straws is easy to build. All you need to do is twist words of others.

            I suppose having the decency to maintain logical consistency, which is not a recent “western” discovery as the ancients have long noted the importance logical consistency, is an anathema to you.

  • Vaidya Balendu Prakash

    very courageous and needed debate. There is big change in climate, life style and dietary pattern of living beings. I am an hard core ayurveda practioner and accumulated name, fame and good living by practicing the concepts and formulations of ayurveda. I agree with the author of the article that Ayurveda needs re-validation of its concepts and beliefs by carrying basic research methodology to create proof of concept. One should not be sentimental, but try to be rational. Its like that that no one would like to buy a vehicle without dash board…If it is good propagate for specific indication rather than free to all. If not, use as reference. This rule applies for many such concepts… Any way, congratulations to all participants… all d best

  • I would argue sustaining the livestock of humans is proving even costlier. Maybe changing our eating habits would help feed the poor.

    Just as illnesses can be psychosomatic, treatments can too. Faith is a great healer. I don’t believe our science has reached a point where it can conclusively prove that cow excreta hasn’t cured any illnesses without debate. Having said that, as a product of western education I would not put it in me. Why not let the buyer beware (or not)?

    One imperfect mind is as good as another….. Except for the feeling of ” specialness” through the need and ability to impose our conditioning on others conditioning.

  • I enjoyed reading this article but I found the part about killing cows for meat really disturbing. meat eating is completely backward and harmful to health and the environment. The fact that people are conditioned to want to eat it is beside the point. Ignorance is ignorance. It is nice that there are people in India who consider the cow their mother and are respectful toward her. Animals feel pain and we have no right to inflict cruelty upon them. Nothing with being a skeptic or rationalist but promoting beef eatingg is pretty retarded if you ask me. Cows and other animals should be loved not killed.

  • http://www.cowurine.com/

    The disclaimer in this site is scary!! An fyi as this would be relevant to the topic being discussed.

  • Cow is mother because she provides us milk. She cares for us even more than our mother. Mr Kakillaya, After certain age you cant even drink the milk of your mother but you can drink the milk of cow. Therefore She is Mother. It is simple common sense to respect your mother. And about her excreta, it has got an antiseptic property. And your concept your humanity is futile, your words are immature just sentiment. Your humanity kills cows and other animals. Killing innocent animals are the INSULT of humanity. Your cant digest this fact that Cow excreta is useful because your concept of humanity begin when others are heart. Atleast have this much ethics to appreciate your mother.

    • Captain Mandrake

      Prabhat,

      **Cow is mother because she provides us milk.**

      Did the cow give you consent to take its milk? You shamelessly stole it, didn’t you. It is mother to its calf, not you. So you should stop drinking milk.

      As to eating cow shit it is totally upto you. I wouldn’t want to stop you. Go ahead by all means.

    • Srinivas Kakkilaya

      Cow ‘cares for you’?! Has it given you birth, protected you, provided milk and all other nutrition, understood your needs and provided all even before you could utter a word, educated you etc., like your real mother did? And here in my town, guys who have thrown out their real mothers are supposedly fighting for the cause of cow mothers, making their living with the protection money that they get.
      If you feel cow’s excreta is good because it is your mother because it has only given you milk(which it has not), why don’t you apply the same logic to the excreta of the real mother? Does it make you sick?

      And as always, please give me proof that cow’s urine has antiseptic properties – one paper at least.

  • The ‘evidence’:
    “Curious to know about Panchagavya, I asked an Ayurveda physician about its utility.”
    Is the only effort you have done, and pointing reference to what others have vomited?
    Why dont you put some effort and do a paper or a lab research by yourself, and prove it wrong??. (because ur in medical field)
    Instead waiting for a paper come to you.???
    Snake venom is poisonous but by mithridatization,you become immune.Why dont you tell that snake vemon is poison should not be injected in human body, it is because some Westerner did some paper works!!.
    Mithridatism has been in world very long time, even today people in Sarawark does tattoo with bit of snake venom;by the time the full tattoo finishs he becomes immune to snake bite.(sorry, i dont have papers for this,i knew this from Iban friends).
    They didnt have papers or lab test, through experience they learned the way.
    -lab cows and cows in normal house(grassFed) give different result.

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    There you are! None of these claims of benefits have any supporting evidence! And you want us to disprove their claims?! It is far more easier for ‘them’ to prove their claims because they are trying these on their hapless patients. Why should I make my patients drink cow’s urine?
    Can you suggest some comparisons between Mithridatism and urine drinking?

  • Thank you a lot, because you made me do a lot of findings in this subject and reading lots of old vedic texts . Pros and cons of medical system. Again thanks a lot.

    I hope you will be reading this full post.

    First i don’t think people drink 1 litre of cow-urine !!! It must be probably 1 to 2 ounces.

    Second, i don’t support urine bottles that is selling nowadays.
    Don’t think i am hardcore Hindu believer. I am always searching for scientific relation to ancient vedic text.
    ——————————–

    “Why should I make my patients drink cow’s urine?”
    This is a good question.
    You are telling just because of content in urine,right? check this out.->

    -i know medical representative give doctors “tour packages and gifts” if they prescribe their company medicine.(do we need doctors or medical rep??)- got prove.

    – I think you know about banned drugs, still used in India.I will tell India is a dumping ground and doctors prescribe it. So don’t tell me your patient story here.There is lots of drugs you doctors prescribe and later find to be dangerous.(so this means this drugs are not tested in lab or dont have medical test papers ??)
    Did you ever check pros and cons of a drug??? NO.but because it is what doctors are told is the best.

    —————————
    Mithridatism and urine drinking?
    i have explained it earlier. snake venom is poisonous, but taken for a period makes the person immune to snake bites. I mentioned this regarding of your toxic in cow-urine.

    —————————
    Public figure for urine therapy :
    -Gandhi
    -Prime Minister of India, Morarji Desai
    -British actress Sarah Miles
    -Major League Baseball player Moisés Alou
    -Madonna
    -Mixed martial arts fighter Lyoto Machida
    -Boxer Juan Manuel Márquez
    -Author J.D. Salinger
    -Jim Morrison(rocker)
    -Steve McQueen(movie star )
    —Many Chinese medicines and therapy made of urine.

    —————————
    Urine therapy mentioned by Prophet Muhammad
    A Tribe people came to Medina,due to unsuitable climate condition Prophet asked them to drink milk and urine of camel(which is taking fresh herbs) as medicine,they were cured.(this have changed in now-> can use only if other methods not available).

    —————————-
    So do you think they were all stupid????
    ——————-

    Urine-Therapy a small History:
    I am not including much details.Find it, if you are really interested in this matter.

    -Holy Roman Empire
    -European Gypsies -using cow urine to cure Bright’s Disease.
    -Yogis and Lamas of Tibet
    -Ayurvedic medicine
    -Goat’s urine
    -Camel urine
    -Human urine( there is lot of recent findings in this)
    – Horse Urine

    **** Dr Sabah Jassim – Zayed Complex for Herbal Research and Traditional Medicine – you can read his findings. “will have papers that you are always asking for”

    -A Chinese pharmaceutical company reported that in a clinical study, its urine-derived cancer drug CDA-II cured 61 percent of patients, compared with a 30 percent cure rate for chemotherapy.

    ““““““““““““““““““
    Books and Western findings about urine-therapy
    If you have time please read this,it will clear ur doubt.

    1. Health guru Gary Null -benefits of the urine cure.
    2. Dr. Beatrice Bartnett- “Urine-Therapy: It May Save Your Life”
    3. “The Golden Fountain: The Complete Guide to Urine Therapy,” by Coen van der Kroon.

    —-World Conference on Auto-Urine Therapy ( i hope you have checked this)
    —- Second World Conference on Urine Therapy
    —-The Third World Conference on Urine Therapy

    -*-*-*-*-*-*–*-*-*-*-*

    Nowdays there is mass production of Ayurvedic medicines. i dont think they can produce same results , that is prescribed in ancient Ayurveda text.(less herbs available)
    —————————-
    My personal experience about Allopathic vs Traditional medicine:

    3years before i had a backache. my wife insisted me to see doctor. They took 2 Xray,and found out i have a bone missing in spine.First stage medicine, then scan , then last is operation. So first stage -two months i took bed rest and medicines(that doctor is from UK,with high certs) still no results.I left it and went to a Kalari+Unani Muslim doctor quite far from my home. he was smoking while looking at me, asked me why so tension?,what is ur problem?.i told i have back-pain ,cant bend or stand. He told me to sit and pulled the muscle behind the right knee, and asked me to walk in the room. That all, he asked me to go and collect the medicine. i was shocked ,told my wife “money wasted”.i came out ,tried to bend down hmm.. feel better.Last when i putting my shoes,i didnt feel any pain. –‘Cured in 10mins’—. That Dr. had 99% success(a very old lady is the 1%), and fees is just 150Rs(medicine).

    So DR. now what you say???? You are telling ancient old text is not worth??That man has more knowledge about nerve system than the doctor studied in UK or u can urge the certs is not valid or he gave money and passed. hehe.
    —————————————
    Conclusion:
    A complete medicine system Ayurveda doesn’t get wrong. It is the less experience doctors who prescribe the Ayurvedic medicine and manufacturers who makes it are the problems.
    Now days who have knowlege of real Ayurveda?. Those days it was family tradition.they learn from childhood,when they grow up they become expert.

    -Just ask the Ayurveda Physican ,if he/she can knows how to mix medicine by using text?, instead of prescribing a bunch of Ayurvedic pills and bottles.Ask her if she knew a text telling to gain young skin. (a European has tested this and prove right,and it is very dangerous and could get burnt without proper knowledge).

    Allopathic medicines always have side effects.We can always see these medicines banned. Why?

    can you find any person having problems doing proper urine-therapy? sure no.

    My Conclusion
    I am not telling anybody to drink urine or try auto-urine therapy.Just showing there is benefits.

    Finally
    Dont shout out without doing any research on a subject without proving it is wrong or right, just to get some attention.

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    • Captain Mandrake

      Venesh,

      Can you please explain why do you find it difficult to accept that cow excrement (faeces and urine) does not work as medicine?

      Please note that just accepting that cow excrement is useless as medicine does not in any way lower the stature of your culture. But insisting that it is or it could be with out any evidence (of the peer-reviewed kind) certainly makes your culture a very shitty one.

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    You have indeed taken lots of space just to say that there is no evidence for the benefits of urine therapy but it has benefits yet no one need to drink it or try auto urine therapy! And your contemplations about my ethics of practice are all wrong.

  • Captain Mandrake

    I find it hard to believe that Hindus are this attached to cow excrement. What really is driving this obsession?

  • Well ppl will be surprised to know that cow’s urine distillate has got a patent from us. US PATENT no.7,718,360

    Oxidative DNA damage is a leading cause of ageing, cancer and other diseases. This distillate derived directly from Cow’s Urine is capable of repairing the damages of Oxidative DNA. for more details refer to US patent no.

    So turns out Hindus were not Idiots after all for drinking Cow’s Urine

    • Captain Mandrake

      Cow urine enthusiasts like you have to understand what a patent is. Here are a couple of lines from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent).

      A patent is not a right to practise or use the invention.[17] Rather, a patent provides the right to exclude others[17] from making, using, selling, offering for sale, or importing the patented invention for the term of the patent, which is usually 20 years from the filing date[4] subject to the payment of maintenance fees.

      These cow urine inventors did not have to file for a patent to exclude other from using cow urine as medicine. Others out of commonsense would have stayed away from cow urine.

      BTW, did you even read the article?

  • Your article is wrong.

    Your knowledge and experience about cow dung and urine seems to be very limited or you are not having knowledge at all about cow dung and urine.

    We are having paddy farms in Thanjavur District, Tamil Nadu. Due to scarcity of rain, the water was not sufficient to take care of the crops. Almost 90% of the crops failed in our area.

    We are using only cow dung as fertilizers and cow urine as pesticides for our crop. All the crops in the area failed without water. But our crop withstand and they yielded the same quantity and this happens without water.

    Please visit the you tube video link. The Tamil Nadu Agriculture University visited our farms and they are surprised to see the yield and the greenery without water.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhLuhLfIvj8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HadWzcbkdqo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyL6eV5IPk

    The pesticides made of Cow urine and neem leaves has wonderful effect in the pest of the crop. Come and see the wonder in our farm and you can experience the same.

    You eat cow, we have no problem that is your personal thing, but writing wrong articles about cow dung and urine will have adverse effect to the agriculturist. Agriculture cannot sustain without cow. This is the basic fact.

    • Satish Chandra

      Sudhir,

      Did you even read the article? Or did you see the words “cow” and “insult” in the title and jumped to the conclusion that you need to defend any and all uses of cow’s excreta? The article is quite specific. It talks about using cow’s excreta as medicine for humans. Not plants.

      • Dear Sir

        You have not understood the article, please read it carefully.

        The conclusion of the article is as under:”so as to deprive the poor sections of the society from quality meat as well as some economic benefits of marketing the beef”. Today not only old cow all the cows are being slaughtered and farmers were made to forgot about the fertilizer and pesticide benefits of cow. I am not aware of the medicinal values of the Cow dung and urine. It may be true. But just because it is not having medicinal values to the humans can it be slaughtered. Today’s farmers agitate for non availability of chemical fertilizers and hybrid seeds. We were having our own fertilizers and own traditional seeds, now because of the so called intellectual people we lost all and we are begging with foreign companies for fertilizers and seeds. We should be ashamed of this for losing our knowledge about agriculture.

        The conclusion of the article is that it has to be slaughtered for good meat. Cow dung and urine will come till the end of its life. He is ending the article as under:
        “This entire exercise of marketing the cow’s products and promising huge economic benefits (a claim not supported by any data) of keeping the cows even after they have passed the age of secreting milk is part of the grand design to prevent the slaughtering of the cows so as to deprive the poor sections of the society from quality meat as well as some economic benefits of marketing the beef. But sustaining the livestock is proving to be very costly for the environment, with a large share of global warming attributed to the livestock”.

        What is market for medicine product of cows and what is the market for fertilizers and pesticides in India. By slaughtering the cow we will lose the pesticides and fertilizers required for agriculture. He is stating after its stop milk, it should be used as a meat. This means what cow is only for milk. Cow is not for milk. It is for agriculture and agriculture cannot sustain without cow. This is the fact. He is recommending to slaughter once its stop giving milk. So people will have cow only for milk and not for agriculture.

        The failure of agriculture in India is because of the so called intellectual people who write something to support the fertilizer and the pesticides company to make more money.

        With regard to medicinal effects when i get some injury in my body at my farm work, i will apply cow dung on the surface of the wound and immediately the blood bleeding will stop and no need for any other medicines. This is my personal experience. I am not a doctor but i am experienced this practically in my life. How without medicinal value it cures the wound. Can you answer. I am in Bangalore come to my farm and in front of you i will show this.

        Stop writing wrong about cow. The cow I am stating here is Indian (Desi) cow and not Vidheshi (Foreign) breed of cows.

        Regards

        Sudhir

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    >>i will apply cow dung on the surface of the wound and immediately the blood bleeding will stop and no need for any other medicines.<<

    Cow dung is full of Clostridium tetani, the bacteria that causes tetanus! Is that to be applied on the wounds? Do you have any controlled data on the use of cow dung for wounds? Know the dung before applying or writing about it.

    Are the Videshi cows' urine and dung useless? No powers in them? Why? Are they not godly? Can they be slaughtered then? Do you have data to show that the urine and dung of Videshi cows are different from those of Deshi ones?

    I have neither supported pesticide companies nor fertilizer companies. If you have any info on any comparative study between uses and economics of cow excreta vs fertilizers/pesticides, please share with us.

    Before asking us to stop writing about the Indian cow, enlighten us on how much you know about the Indian cow.

    • You have not answered my question. It has cured me and also my dog which was bleeding because of wound. How it is cured, you are a doctor and you not able to answer and now you are recommending not to use. Before asking me questions and advising me not to use, research on that and find how it cured. I am using this for all my wounds for the past 20 years and no side effect has happened. So your recommendation seems to be wrong. I am getting doubt that you are working as an agent to promote the English Medicine, Chemical Fertilizers and Pesticides.

      You no need to test the difference between the Indian and Vidhesi cow. Take urine of a Indian cow and keep it in a drum for one month, the urine will be same even after any number of days. Vidheshi cow urine will spoil in a weeks time. How I know this, because for preparing pesticides we use to collect and store urine and that is how we know this.

      With regard to the Dung, the dung of the Indian cow will be in a solid form and the vidheshi cow dung will be semi liquid. you cannot hold the dung in your hand of a vidheshi cow because it will be semi liquid. We have applied both the vidheshi cow dung and desi cow dung in our farm and we have experienced that applying desi cow dung will have effect in the farm and vidheshi cow dung will not have any effect in the production. We have cow and we have farms and we have experience. Why today cow dung is not effective in farms and farmer are applying chemical fertilizers because for milk vidheshi cow are grown and desi cows are slaughtered because of the recommendation from people like you.

      I never recommended to slaughter the vidheshi cow. How come you come to a conclusion that they are not godly. You have lot of assumption then real knowledge. You jump to a conclusion with out having any facts. Now i can understand even your article will be full of assumption. You have no practical experience. You have no idea and details about a vidheshi and desi cow. We learned it in a period of three decades, which cannot be taught to you over an email. Regarding slaughtering you have recommended to kill the cows and not we. We were telling about the quality of the cow dung between a vidhesi and desi cow. All all god. Advaitha tell that every thing is god. See god in all the thing. Aham Brahmasmi. All are god, you are a part of god, i am a part of god and the vidheshi cow is a part of god. We even save that cows also from slaughtering. We never recommend to kill any thing because all are god creations we have no right to kill any thing. May be you have the right to recommend to kill a cow and not we. Hope you would have understood that you recommended killing the cow and not we. See the internet for knowing the difference between A1 and A2 milk. which cow gives A1 milk and which cow gives A2 milk you will know and why we are recommending to grow desi cows you will understand. Lot of research and scholarly articles (not like your article which is full of assumption) are available. Indian cow will have a hump in the back, it can shake any part of the body alone and it will have a huge skin falling under the neck which are all missing in the vidheshi cow. An Indian cow will have around 20 calf in its life time, whereas the vidheshi cow will have only 4 or maximum 5. A vidheshi cow cannot walk far whereas a desi cow can go and wander three four mountains and come back in the evening. A vidheshi cow cannot stand in the hot sun, whereas desi cow will stand only in the hot sun. Now today we are drinking only vidheshi cow milk, all of us will have only two kids, and we dont have the ability to get more kids, we cannot walk in the hot sun, for near by places we have to go in a vehicle and not by walk. Our forefathers who were drinking desi cow milk, can work hard in the hot sun, will walk and go to all the places, will have children in double digit. All this abilities and stamina are lost because of the recommendation of people like you.

      I am sending the test certificates regarding the availability of PH, Electrical Conductivity, Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Potassium, Sodium, Calcium, fungi count, bacteria count and lactobacillus count to your by email. This will not have Escherichia coli, Staphylococcus aureus, salmonella sp, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Listeria monocytogenes. We have exported the cow dung to Germany and it has passed all the test certificates required under the European standard.

      With regard to the Cow urine, take a PH testing paper check the PH level in the water. Apply few drops of cow urine and then test the PH level. It will be between 6-7 which is an accepted standard. With Cow dung and urine we prepared one medicine and see the below link for the customer who is using and telling what are the diseases now controlled in poultry.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DYKwngQAzs

      How without medical values this diseases are controlled.

      Confirm whether you have any knowledge about importance of agriculture in this country. 1000 years back we are richest country in the world and today we are not. Why, because of you people recommending english knowledge and to forgot Indian Knowledge. You people are curse to this society for writing wrong articles and further not accepting the wrong stand taken by you.

      Economics – Come and see my gosala I am maintaining this gosala only by sale of cow dung and urine by converting them into pesticides and fertilizers. Milk is free and we never sell milk. We give butter milk free to all the school kids who return from the school.

      My gosala was taken as an example in the agriculture meeting happened in Chennai last month towards the economics of the cow.

      Remove the block in your mind about the desi cows, you will understand better.

      We expect you comment at the earliest.

  • We have sent the test certificates to your email.

    Regards

    Sudhir

  • It is not important for us to speak about the cow as god or not… using the chemical fertiliser on the agricultural field which spoils the nutrient in soil and makes it as unfit for cultivation why then you not research on this harmful fertiliser to be used for agriculture.kindly write an article based on the yield also not only based on the scientific fact.writing this kind of article does not only spoil the ayurveda but entire indian knowledge .This kind article is boost for other religions who convert mass of hindu people to their religion by citing this article so they say come to our religion because the hindus are superstitious people

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    Three reports were attached to my mail:
    Report 1: Pnachqavya tested for electrical conductivity and measurement of nitrogen, calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sodium and the values are in mgs per kg.
    Report 2: Panchagavya for fungi, bacteria and lactobacilli, values are from 600 CFU to 1.2L CFU
    Report 3: A specimen named PRO IIC, supposedly a brown coloured liquid, whose manufacturer, supplier and batch size were not informed to the laboratory. This was tested for microbes and showed 600-1.2 L CFU with absent E coli, Staph aureus, Salmonella, Pseudomonas and Listeria.

    PRO IIC is the name of the sample provided by the supplier, it does not appear to be a standard acronym.

    None of these reports suggest anything about the fertilizer or pesticidal qualities of the samples provided. These reports only suggest that the samples contain the said chemicals and microbes. Period.

    As far as pH, cow’s urine and human urine are acidic, because kidneys excrete acids out – and pH will be lower than 7. If that is also a point to brag about, then I can only write Ha ha ha!

    And if these reports are the basis of what is written above, then I can only pity.

    Rest of what is written does not deserve any reply.

    • You have not visited the you tube link to know about the qualities of the product. We have given the link. Since you are not able to comment on this you are telling that it does not deserve reply.

      Controlling PH level in hard water is important for agriculture. You are not aware of this much, i think you are laughing on yourself. Continue laughing.

      You are not able to give any reply for all the other proof apart from test certificates, and you are telling it does not deserve reply.

      You asked question about desi and vidhesi cow and we explained the difference and you are now telling it does not deserve any reply

      You asked about medicinal value, and we proved it has medicinal value for poultry, and now you are telling it does not deserve reply.

      After giving the farms details where it is used and the link is provided by Tamil Nadu Agriculture University and not by us. Its a Government organization and what better proof you want to know about the quality of the fertilizers.

      The product contains so many nutrients required for agriculture which you also saw in the certificate. Why you have not commented on this and for this also you are telling that it does not deserve reply. This are required in agriculture field and its helps growing the crop and the plant. For this also there is no reply from your side.

      Not only report, we have given so many links where it is proved, why you are feeling pity, because you are not able to answer is it. Then you should feel pity on yourself for writing an article without having any knowledge.

      You confirmed that you are not able to answer, please laugh on you and also feel pity on you.

      We never expected nothing more than this from an anti agriculturist and an agent of chemical fertilizer and pesticides company.

      The people who read both of our article will judge about this.

      I expected that you will not be able to comment on this because you are unable to digest that cow dung and cow urine are so helpful in agriculture.

      So i can now clearly tell YOU ARE AN HALF BAKED PERSON WHO IS NOT AWARE OF BENEFITS OF THE COW DUNG AND URINE.

      Regards

      Sudhir

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    And about wound healing: Most often, cuts heal on their own, body has the necessary mechanisms for that. Smearing cow dung can be dangerous. We cannot even suggest a controlled study on cow dung therapy, that would be unethical!

    • Captain Mandrake

      ** We cannot even suggest a controlled study on cow dung therapy, that would be unethical!**

      Can’t we even use the cow excreta enthusiasts as subjects in the controlled experiments. Will that be unethical as well.

      Only joking.

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    If the three certificates are the only proof that you can provide about the utility of cow dung and cow urine as fertilizers and pesticides, I can only pity you. You can write in reems, but that will not prove your points.
    Wound healing and blood clotting occur with body’s own mechanisms, cow dung is not needed. Of the innumerable who get wounded daily, how many apply cow dung for clotting? Do you have data?

    By your arguments, cow’s urine can be pesticide, poultry medicine and human medicine as well! Wah!

    And you have mentioned about Advaita! Read what Sankaracharya has written in his commentary on Brihadaranyaka Upanishad – Part 4, Ch. 6, Shl. 18. You will know about eating bull’s meat through him!

    And do read about animal milk stimulating mTORC1 signalling and causing several modern diseases, including cancers: in the next few years, we may have to abandon animal milk totally. You may have to forget about the dung, urine and in near future, even the milk. All the best!

  • Srinivas i that you are best part in reforming the hindu but what kind of cruel man you are suggesting people to forgot the milk and you are saying that is causes modern disease.People drinking milk for more than 2000 years but nobody got a cancer because of milk and you said modern disease can you list what are all the modern disease is ????

  • \\And about wound healing: Most often, cuts heal on their own, body has the necessary mechanisms for that. Smearing cow dung can be dangerous. We cannot even suggest a controlled study on cow dung therapy, that would be unethical!// what a fun?? . let me ask the question in laymen term when i get wounded and go to hospital why doctors apply medicine on my wounds and dress it and why cant i let it heal my itself then why does doctor suggest to dress it with medicine.???

  • Mr Srinivas

    The brown liquid given for testing is Panchagavya. We have provided the test certificate and the contents are important for Agriculture Crops. Why you are falling pity on this. You are suppose to answer for this.

    We have given the proof of the farm which is using panchagavya and the diseases in chicks are cured. No need for laughing, you are required to answer the same.

    You need still proof, we will give one by one.

    • Srinivas Kakkilaya

      @Sudhir: Are you sure PRO IIC was also Panchagavya? The other two have been specifically shown as Panchagavya.

    • Srinivas Kakkilaya

      Dear Sudhir, Does your brand of Panchagavya contain sugarcane, toddy, jaggery? You have already mentioned about neem. Meanwhile, I have a written reply from Bangalore Test Centre ready with me. Once you provide the above details, I will respond.

  • Captain Mandrake

    Ramohan,

    ** let me ask the question in laymen term when i get wounded and go to hospital why doctors apply medicine on my wounds and dress it and why cant i let it heal my itself then why does doctor suggest to dress it with medicine.???**

    I think the answer is already in Srinivas’s post. In case you missed here it is.

    ** Most often, cuts heal on their own, body has the necessary mechanisms for that. **

    Most often body’s mechanicism is sufficient but not always. Besides you are asked to dress it up so that you do not infect the open wound with various germs floating around. If it gets infected body’s mechanism might not be sufficient.

    But Rammohan, if a cow excreta enthusiast like you want to apply cow shit to open wounds and drink cow urine by means knock yourself out.

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    @Ram mohan:
    1. Wound healing is the very first chapter in the text book of modern pathology. It is science, not fun. Study it to know the types of wounds, methods of blood clotting, fibrin strength, wound healing etc. Also study about animal excreta and human excreta, their contents, microbial load, pathogenic potential, tetanus and cow dung etc., before advocating excreta as ointments or medicines.

    2. Just google mTorc+milk or even add cancer for precise results. There are hundreds of papers for you to study

    3. Is it my writing on superstitions that promotes conversions or the superstitions themselves is something for you (and your supporters) to ponder

    • hi srinivas

      1.iam not the person who apply the cow dung to the wound .People heat the cow dung for certain temperature to remove the pathogens and bacteria as well as make it as powder to cure certain disease

      2.Regarding the panchagavya it has been used by many farmers as organic manure and they shown the yield higher than the chemical fertiliser.do you say this people are superstitious ??

      3.Ph of the soil is more important for soil fertility the more acidic is more unfertility the soil is

      4.panchagavya mixture cannot be directly utilised in soil it is converted in to nutrient by dung beatles and earth worms.is it is not true???

  • 1.Mammalian milk is presented as an endocrine signaling system, which activates mTORC1, promotes cell growth and proliferation and suppresses autophagy.
    2.Naturally, milk-mediated mTORC1 signaling is restricted only to the postnatal growth phase of mammals.
    3 However, persistent consumption of cow’s milk proteins in humans provide highly insulinotropic branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs) provided by milk’s fast hydrolysable whey proteins, which elevate postprandial plasma insulin levels, and increase hepatic IGF-1 plasma concentrations by casein-derived amino acids.
    4. BCAAs, insulin and IGF-1 are pivotal activating signals of mTORC1. Increased cow’s milk protein-mediated mTORC1 signaling along with constant exposure to commercial cow’s milk estrogens derived from pregnant cows may explain the observed association between high dairy consumption and increased risk of PCa in Westernized societies

    • Srinivas Kakkilaya

      There ar emany more reports on milk and cancer, milk and worsening of osteoporosis, milk and calcium myth, milk and acne, milk and metabolic syndrome … Do read them all before praising the COW MOTHER

  • First of all let me introduce myself, I am an atheist but that does not mean I am against the religion.I value the customs and traditions of religion .Hindu philosophy says you have to be friendly with animals what is wrong with it ,being friendly does not mean you have take a sip of coffee along with animal or chit chat with them, which means you have to be eco-friendly .our perfect companions are animals in food chain .Eating the meat for hunger is different for eating for taste, see the modern animals who are eating everything in their way from chicken to snake soup do we are not aware of how adverse effect this to our environment .Recent research says that cell phone tower radiation is the cause for birds extinction but is this true ? No not alone that but also the destroying of their dwelling place because of human occupation . There is adverse effect in all field .Does religion alone causes major harm to our social-life and health .Today we all know the cancer which we can find in all age group what is the cause for it ?it is because of major impact of pollution to our environment .Think of innovation of ic(Internal combustion ) engine technology though it had major contribution to our transportation which also caused air pollution by releasing co,co2 which caused to global warming and another major impact of science and technology to our social life is making as “lazy goose” because of major impact of online commerce on internet and play station which make us to do less physical activity and spoiling our interaction with our nature and our creativity but we do not realize this and we become addict for this .Big curse and insult not alone to the human but to nature is advancement in “cloning” think if it been used by criminals and law makers then who could save our entire human kind is it not insult to nature???Every Religion opposes to this and this is what we have to oppose at first .I conclude being an atheist by reforming the religions does not fetch much our political and behavioral pattern of the people has also to be reformed.

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    Mr. Sudhir has written more than a dozen e-mails to me, claiming proof for the usefulness of Cow dung and Cow urine. He had stated: “We are using only cow dung as fertilizers and cow urine as pesticides for our crop…The pesticides made of Cow urine and neem leaves has wonderful effect in the pest of the crop.” (Note that Sudhir’s pesticides are made of neem leaves as well!)

    He had sent me three reports from Blore Test Lab, claiming to be the proof for all his claims. As I have already written, two were named as Panchagavya and the third as PRO IIC. After repeated requests to reveal the identity of PRO IIC, and after a number of abusive mails to me, he claimed that also to be Panchagavya.

    Traditional Panchagavya is prepared from the FIVE (Panch) products of indigenous cow i.e., cow dung, cow urine, cow milk, curd, cow ghee. Some studies on the use of Panchagavya in agriculture have had significant additives like sugarcane juice, jaggery, coconut water and ripe banana, (Panchagavya is a misnomer for this!). I wanted to know the actual composition of Sudhir’s Panchagavya and he has not provided the details so far. Instead, I got more abusive mails!

    I wrote to the Bangalore Test Centre, forwarding the test results that Sudhir had sent. I wrote: “Dear Sir/Madam, I am attaching herewith three certificates from your lab regarding Panchagavya and another liquid named PRO IIC. I will be grateful if you could kindly inform me whether these tests indicate the samples as having fertilizer or pesticidal properties.” And this was the reply from Dr.Revathi, Manager – Ayurveda, Unit II, BTC: “As the test report shows presence of Potassium, sodium, nitrogen, phosphorous and calcium, it is a fertilizer, hence we can infer that the product has fertilizer property.”

    So, BTC has not vouched for the pesticidal properties. And fertilizer, only because it contains small quantities of the elements? Can this be proof for the efficacy of Sudhir’s PRO IIC as a fertilizer?

    An hour ago, Sudhir sent me a document which he claimed as more proof. This was the Proceedings of International conference on Organic agriculture – In scope of environmental problems, held at Famagusta, Cyprus island, between 3-7 February 2010. This document has one paper regarding cow’s excreta, titled Organic Agriculture: Modern Tool to Mitigate Climate Change, by Amit Kesarwani, Sharanappa and Shih Shiung Chen. They tested 9 combinations of inorganic fertilizer, compost, vermicompost, neem cake, 1% panchagavya spray, Palekar’s methods and biofertilizers. And the results revealed inorganic fertilizers to be better than any other and they conclude: “Therefore, despite better performance recorded with inorganic sources, there is still room in the concern of environmental safety for the use of organic by-products.”

    So, where is the proof that Cow dung and Cow urine works wonders? Sudhir’s own ‘proof’ is suggesting the contrary!

    And the so called Cow excreta based products tested are not pure cow excreta derivatives – Sudhir’s pesticide is a mixture of Cow urine and neem – of the two, which works as pesticide?

    And the Panchagavya tested has many other organic plant products as well. What is the role of Cow’s products in this mixture? Only to provide microbes for fermentation?

    And Sudhir’s conclusion about me: Very bad you are acting against this country and agriculture community.

    So it is: Anything written exposing the lies of Cow excreta marketeers is anti-national!

    • Mr Srinivas

      Panchagavya is made of five elements which is there in the proceeding book. The Adhesives mentioned are the other item. The main five elements are cow dung, urine, milk, curd and ghee and all are from cow.

      The recommendation is using organic for environment. this is what we are trying to tell. Non organic give better yield in the initial stages and in future the application has to be increased. the cost of input increases and the farmer loses his profit and achieve loss.

      So you are accepting for environment panchagavya is good.

      thus panchagavya is not bad good for environment.

      Our contention is that you are verified this point before writing the article.

      Cow should be used for agriculture hence it should not be used only for milk. Else environment will get affected.

      This is the first comment you have answered in line.

      We appreciate your spirit.

      • Satish Chandra

        Sudhir,

        Dr. Srinivas did not say anything to suggest that “So you are accepting for environment panchagavya is good.”. What he said was this – “So, where is the proof that Cow dung and Cow urine works wonders? Sudhir’s own ‘proof’ is suggesting the contrary!”. This kind of commenting is squarely in troll territory. This website is under no obligation to entertain such tactics.

        • Satish Chandra

          The International research documents confirms that this is an organic product good for the environment. Srinivas has not told anything against this and in his comment he has written what is stated in the proceeding book.

          In case he is telling Panchagavya is not good for environment let him write his comments against the book.

          Once there is no comments against that it is implied that he accepts it is good for environment.

        • We gave proof that it is organic which is the above document he is referring.

          Regarding Panchagavya does wonder we have given various proof to srinivas, he is yet to give his comment on that.

          He is telling that doesn’t deserves any reply. What does it mean,

          Tiruvarur Collector has given award to one agriculture that he achieved the maximum yield in his land and the agriculturist confirmed that he used only Panchagavya.

          The entire debate of us is take agriculture into account before recommending for slaughtering.

          • Srinivas Kakkilaya

            There was no other proof provided to me other than 3 youtube links, three test reports and the PDF file that I have already mentioned. None of these provide any evidence that is being claimed by Sudhir. If mere presence of words organic, panchagavya, environment etc., amount to PROOF, it is only laughable.

          • You accepted that you have not take agriculture into account before writing the article. Now there is no laughable. Now it is a proven fact that your article is without taking agriculture into effect. Now no need to laugh, you have no knowledge on this subject about using cow in agriculture. Once you have accepted than you article is half baked. Do home work fully on this and then revise your article.

            The Test Certificate, Youtube link, PDF file and TNAU website about Panchagavya are all evidence.

            So you are stating that it is only mere presence of words. That is your article which is written on assumption. You are not able to reply any thing, just telling feeling pity, laughable, not deserve to reply shows your quality of knowledge in this subject.

            We proved that your article is wrong and the fact is you have accepted that you have written the article “I DID NOT TOUCH UPON COW’S EXCRETA IN AGRICULTURE”. Touch the same and write the article. Then we can come to a conclusion whether cow is useful for agriculture or only for meat.

      • Srinivas Kakkilaya

        In fact, the so called proof for the benefits of cow dung and cow urine, even for agriculture, seem to be weak or non-existing. Just like that for Cow urine for medical treatment. The conclusion of the paper means:

        1. Inorganic sources show better performance
        2. “Still there is room” = some hope that organic products can be pushed in the name of concern for environmental safety, despite poor benefits
        3. That too “Organic by-products” = The paper has included several organic manures, panchagavya being used only as a 1% spray and that in fact showed least benefits – so the authors have not separately endorsed Cow products, but have hoped for ALL organic manures like compost, vermicompost etc

        This is the common pattern – be it the above paper, or the so called patents, or the studies on cow urine for medicines – write a twisted argument in favour of Cow product and then cite that as Proof.

        I repeat NONE EXIST. Jumping up for the defense of Gau mata, with closed eyes and ears and minds, cannot help.

        To say that Cow’s excreta is good for the environment, one should consider the impact of cattle rearing in toto – feeds needed, eco-impact of such feeds, gases emitted and their eco-impact,environmental stress, especially potable water pollution from cattle excreta, cost of keeping the cattle, zoonosis etc etc.

        I did not touch upon Cow’s excreta in agriculture, so there was no need for me to cite these papers.

        • You comments ends as “I did not touch upon Cow’s excreta in agriculture”.

          See our first comments “but writing wrong articles about cow dung and urine will have adverse effect to the agriculturist. Agriculture cannot sustain without cow. This is the basic fact”.

          All this days we were telling to you that Cow is important for agriculture and you have not taken the same in your article.

          NOW YOU HAVE CONFESSED THAT “I DID NOT TOUCH UPON COW’S EXCRETA IN AGRICULTURE”.

          As informed the economy for fertilizer is a big market compared to market of cow urine arc as medicine. You should have touched the main and core sector agriculture and not a market which is very small and will not make any significant change in the economy. As stated by you no one made money in cow arc as medicine. But agriculture will sustain with cow.

          Revise your article including cow as a part of agriculture and then comment whether cow is for milk or meat or agriculture.

          To make you understand that you have not taken agriculture into consideration in your article itself took this much time, It took five days and so many emails and comments to make you understand that you have left out the important issue agriculture in you article.

          • Srinivas Kakkilaya

            I did not take five days, it was Sudhir who did not even bother to reply to what his PRO IIC was. After I posted the reply, he sends me a docx file, accepting that his panchagavya indeed had tender coconut water, poovan bananas, jaggery etc.

            This clearly shows that Sudhir is only trying to hide facts from the scientific community and is unwilling for scrutiny. Proof should withstand scrutiny and all the proof that he provided have been analysed above.

            This further strengthens my position. I stand by what I have written almost 5 years ago.

  • I was telling that it took five days to make you accept that cow is important for agriculture and you have not considered the same in your article. Now you accepted that you have not taken the same in writing your article. The delay is not the subject, the subject is you have not considered agriculture in your article.

    Further you are shifting the burden of proof on my side. The article is written by you, you should write article with proof. We never wrote any article we only stated that you have not taken the important core issue agriculture in the article. Now you accepted you have not taken the same for consideration.

    Now write again stating that cow is not useful for agriculture (with proof) we will prove again that you are wrong. May be another five days. No issue write we will give a fit reply.

    • Srinivas Kakkilaya

      My article was never about agriculture, what is there need to accept that?
      Burden of providing proof is always on those who claim proof – and it this case, it is you. Whatever you have provided have already fallen flat. For whatever I have written, I have provided citations.
      Now you are jumping from the dung onto the cow itself! Cow in agriculture! Fed up with the dung?!

  • Have a look at the following video:

    http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_eisen_meet_your_microbes.html

    After watching this you might not be feel it as an insult to humanity. :)

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    Human micro biome is established very early in life, from breast milk and environmental contacts. Problems arise when it is modified/harmed by high sugar containing (acellular carbs) diet as well as rampant use of antibiotics. One need not drink animal milk or urine to maintain a healthy gut microbes. There are far easier and healthier ways of achieving that than drinking excreta.

  • This article looks like an “anti-cow” propaganda. I agree that using cow excretes directly as a medicine is not good, sometimes it would be too dangerous. But this article goes beyond the original topic and thrashes/questions the abilities of cow bi-products and its uses without any proof, which is proven to work for thousands of years. Its impossible to think a sustainable agricultural system, which can exists without cow bi-products. This is one of the “God-alike” companion of farmers for thousands of years. I am not sure whether science is capable of fully explaining what good it can do for the world. If you were to blame for the methane emissions, it should go to concentrated farming which happens in western countries. That kind of practice is not common in India.

    • “It is clear that cow’s urine and other excreta are only the waste products rejected by the animal’s body and are similar to the excreta of other animals and therefore, there is absolutely no reason why the cow’s urine or other excreta should be venerable over those of humans beings or other animals.”
      is this a scientific argument?
      counter-example: honey

      • Captain Mandrake

        rajeev,

        *is this a scientific argument? counter-example: honey**

        Honey is not waste product rejected by bees. It is a reserve food that bees store up to survive the winter when food sources are scarce.

        These cow shit eaters are totally clueless. LOL!

      • I too believe that cow waste is similar to many other herbivorous animals. This article questions “Panchakavya”, your curious mind including Mr. Mandrake’s never questions Endosulfan like panchakavya, why? Just because it was given to you by the so called scientists and supported by scientific evidences? We are using cow bi-products in agriculture and generating pesticide/fertilizer free vegetables for your consumption. The science what you and me know is not capable of explaining everything what is being followed(maybe blindly), some of them may look absurd. Never dismiss everything just because you don’t know or don’t want to know.

  • Read this below fully.

    Do not believe until you try it out yourself.

    http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.in/2012/08/agnihotra-ghee-cow-dung-fuel-capt-ajit.html

    http://palekarzerobudgetspiritualfarming.org

    May be some of the reasons why the cow is called holy.

    -Mahesh

    • Here’s a hilarious excerpt from the first article linked above, that sounds like something right out of a technobabble generator:

      The Hindus knew the earths heart beat of 7.83 hertz as the frequency of OM — and the MMMMM humming of OM boosts the production of Nitric oxide in the body , and it was documented 7000 years ago.

      Mantras resonate your pineal gland and reprogramme your DNA. The human DNA can produce longitudinal scalar waves.

      Anyone interested in that sort of reading is invited to check this out. Anyone interested in calling its bluff is invited to check out this earlier post.

      Also, anyone interested in boosting nitric oxide is invited to climb up the stairs.

      • I don’t think humans can hear 7.83 Hz… that’s definitely not the frequency of someone chanting “Om” and I don’t know what it means for the earth to have a heartbeat of this frequency.

        • Captain Mandrake

          Ashwin,

          **I don’t think humans can hear 7.83 Hz… that’s definitely not the frequency of someone chanting “Om” and I don’t know what it means for the earth to have a heartbeat of this frequency.
          **

          You need to do some yoga and eat some quantum cow shit. If you do that you will not only be able to chant OM at the same frequency of Earth’s heart beat but you can also accomplish other feats like stopping your heart for 8 hours with out starving your brain of much needed oxygen, reset your several of your body dimensions to the ratio of 1:1.618 and fly across the globe using stone age technology.

      • And wouldn’t it be a bad thing if DNA were reprogrammed? I mean, isn’t that what we call a mutation? So mantras are a mutagen?

        • Captain Mandrake

          Ashwin,

          Unfortunately this (cow shit and om mamtras) is what Hindus have to offer. You still want to hold on to that Hindu label as a proxy for your penchant for wearing sari and celebrating Diwali?

          • well u can’t confuse hinduism with these new age justifications

          • Captain Mandrake

            Sue,

            **well u can’t confuse hinduism with these new age justifications**

            What is hinduism and what is new age justification?

            Can you please elaborate?

          • why shld u abandon hinduism bcause some people are misusing scientific terms?

        • Well if this is where it leads I guess not. I won’t use Indian atheist though, that would merely project the Hindu identity on all of India. I’ll make do with atheist, and if asked questions, explain myself.

      • this mantra does not solve the problem of hunger, poverty, and crimes like rape, etc.

  • if you want to know more about om, read this.

    ajitvadakayil.blogspot.no/2013/03/secrets-of-shankh-or-conch-product-of.html?m=0

    -mahesh

  • above statement is absolutly baseless.In Veda importance of Cow urine and cow dung is mentioned.some atheist like you too belive “cow’s urine and other excreta are only the waste products rejected by the animal’s body”

    Now morden scientist have reasarched and found out the anticeptic property in excreta.there are many chemicals which are very good for health.please find below the list.In village,the house floor is applied with cow dung It gives the colling effect and nice aroma.

    Vedic literatures are infalliable,whatever mentioned in thousands of years,its 100% true till now. as its given by Lord only.it does not change as the time goes.
    Medicinal values of Cow urine

    Uses

    Urea : Product of protein metabolism. Strong antimicrobial agent.
    Uric Acid : Anti microbail activity helps to control cancer.
    Nitrogen : Diuretic, stimulates kidney
    Sulphur : Purifies blood, increases intestinal peristalsis
    Copper : Controls fat deposition
    Iron : Production of RBC in blood
    Sodium : Purifies blood, checks hyperacidity
    Potassium : Appetizer, eliminates muscles fatigue
    Other salts : Antibacterial, prevents comma and ketoacids
    Carbolic Acid : Antibacterial, prevents gas gangrenes
    Ammonia : Integrity of body tissue and blood
    Sugar-Lactose : Heart, thirst, giddiness
    Vitamin A,B.C,D, E : Prevent excessive thirst, infuse vigour, increase potency
    Creatinine : Antibacterial
    Swarna Kshar : Antibacterial, improves immunity (aurum hydroxide) acts as antidote

    Enzyme-urokinase : Dissolve blood clot, improves heart disease, blood circulation

    Colony stimulating factor : Effective for cell division and multiplication
    Erythropoietin stimulating factor : Production of RBCs
    Gonadotropin : Promotes menstrual cycle, sperm production
    Kallikrein : Releases Kallidin which expands peripheral veins and reduces blood pressure.

    Allantoin : Heals wounds and tumors
    Anticancer substances : Prevents multiplication of carcinogenic cells
    Phenols : Bactericidal, antifungal

    • Captain Mandrake

      You missed one key component of cow urine – water. Urine is 95% water. And scientists say that humans can not live with out water. So clearly vedas are very scientific.

      I really hope Hindus drink this nutritious beverage on a daily basis as per the prescription in vedic scriptures. As an atheist I will take a pass.

  • I can’t just let go without replying to Mr. Captain’s pure atheistic comments, and the following LOL, though what Manoj said looks extreme. Just for a comparison take our purified or municipal water which is clean by the standard and we drink it everyday, I am sure the urban population is free of any waterborne diseases(*), but are we noticing that it lacks essential salts & minerals which leads to chronic diseases like blood pressure and diabetes, far more serious then the waterborne diseases. There is no debate that our urban populace increased many fold, and are living by the standards set by the so called scientific community, yet with degrading health. I know still many villages drink the rain water which may be dangerous to drink as per the standards, yet living so healthy without even waterborne diseases. THINK, atheism doesn’t mean that you just don’t believe everything followed by a religion, or mentioned by a religious book. Turmeric and Ash(dried cow dung, paddy husk etc ..) are used and prescribed in vedas, do you think these are just a bunch of lies? I personally used turmeric to heal wounds and it works like a charm, Vibuthi when applied after bath suck out water around it sometime people do mention that it avoids getting a headache, probably you would use a costly and non-environmental friendly hair drier for the same purpose. I am happy that you are an atheist who questions everything, but never make a joke without understanding the other side of the problem.

    • Captain Mandrake

      Rajan,

      That was an amazing reponse to my post. So, in your view drinking water standards are responsible for diabetes and blood pressure and degrading health, huh? I think vedas have solution for you. Please drink cow urine instead.

      Rest of us will just drink clean water that meets safety standards. As for diabetes and blood pressure we will deal with those with a combination of excercise, diet and modern medicine (I know this is going to make your head explode).

      • Thanks for the reply Captain. I don’t know how much did you read about the chronic diseases I mentioned above and has a first hand experience of combating them. Those standards set by someone(??) may be very convincing to us, and if you look closely they do have roots going deep into some giants pockets. The purified water industry is the one who mints money in large scale, and sadly we have no option to go back now. I have seen so many of my friends complaining about severe throat pains and taking off for few days, ofcourse with few doctor visits and a burnt out pocket. The reason they get this illness is because of some low quality packaged water(note its still not an unpurified water). I wondered where the so called immunity is gone?? Do you know our body is capable of fighting and rejuvenating itself to some extent, where all these are nothing? When a commaon man is presented with the concepts like Purified water, energy drinks, per kilo proteins, carbs, exercise, 3 liters of water everyday, eat oats etc .. do you think these recommendations match for everyone, say a white collar at office and a farmer at work? Please widen your views, I had the same perception as yours few years ago. Please watch this video if you get a time, and think where this science community is taking us ..

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY

        I always welcome constructive science, and never accepts anything without questioning whether its science or religion. All the way you are supporting other users(!) to drink cow urine, probably they have more immunity then you and me, and are living strong, hope you drink milk and know the origin of it, expecting an answer that its boiled :-).

    • Dear Rajan,

      At the risk of pouring petrol over the flames, let me add my two paise to your
      disingenuous claims:

      > I am sure the urban population is free of any waterborne diseases(*)…

      Sarcasm appreciated. Thank you.

      > …are we noticing that it lacks essential salts & minerals which leads to
      > chronic diseases like blood pressure and diabetes…

      No. We’re not noticing it, and it does not lack any «essential» salts or
      minerals (being usually underground water or river water). In fact, in several
      places, *hard* water—containing excess salts and minerals, is a problem. Also,
      there is not a shred of evidence that «water lacking in essential salts and
      minerals» causes high blood pressure or diabetes.

      > …far more serious then the waterborne diseases.

      Absolutely not! Where did you get that impression? Water-borne diseases like
      cholera have the capacity to kill entire populations within a matter of days.
      Other famous names are dysentery, typhoid (enteric fever), hepatitis A
      (jaundice), etc. You’re claiming high blood pressure and diabetes are «far
      more serious» than these killers, among others? Even today, an outbreak of
      cholera sends the public health deptts into a tizzy.

      > There is no debate that our urban populace increased many fold, and are
      > living by the standards set by the so called scientific community…

      The slum dwellings most of the poor city folk inhabit are scientifically
      *designed*?

      > …yet with degrading health.

      No wonder, given the complete lack of hygiene, overpopulation, and complete
      absence of civic amenities. Where’s the surprise?

      > I know still many villages drink the rain water which may be dangerous to
      > drink as per the standards, yet living so healthy without even waterborne
      > diseases.

      We presume that the villagers who *did* get waterborne diseases died out so
      quickly that you didn’t get to know them? And rain water is a relatively safe
      source of drinking water, provided it isn’t contaminated with fæces. But then,
      it also lacks salts and minerals (which you deem «essential»)!

      > …atheism doesn’t mean that you just don’t believe everything followed by a
      > religion, or mentioned by a religious book.

      It does. For an atheist to believe anything followed by a religion or
      mentioned by a religious belief, it must have independent corroborative
      evidence. This criterion (of evidence) is not limited just to religious
      beliefs but to ALL beliefs. Up to now, your claims do not satisfy this.

      > Turmeric and Ash(dried cow dung, paddy husk etc ..) are used and prescribed
      > in vedas, do you think these are just a bunch of lies?

      Turmeric works, yes—but not for healing wounds—that is done by the body
      itself. It prevents infection of the exposed flesh by the ever-present
      bacteria—an antiseptic action. It may be(?) due to its iodide content. A lot
      of other poultice formulæ work too. Ancient Indians were not fools, no. But
      the state of the antiseptic art has come far, far ahead from those times.
      Modern antiseptics are safer, cheaper, easier to prepare and administer, and
      of proven efficacy.

      > Vibuthi when applied after bath suck out water around it sometime people do
      > mention that it avoids getting a headache, probably you would use a costly
      > and non-environmental friendly hair drier for the same purpose.

      Let me get this straight—you smear your «whole head» with ash, making sure it
      penetrates to your scalp, to «dry you hair»? Please, please try a towel
      instead!

      If you’ve read this far, thank you. Remember, we’re not trying to impose our
      views (however true) on you, unlike many of your religious brethren/sisters
      who are trying to force their views on us! We’re only trying to help those who
      may otherwise be taken in by the sheer propaganda surrounding baseless
      beliefs.

      Cheers!

  • Hi Alex,

    Echoing Captain, Thanks for your patience explaining your views.

    «water lacking in essential salts and
    minerals» causes high blood pressure or diabetes. – Then why every vendor is trying to project the water as “Mineral water”, do you really think a trivial imbalance in trace elements doesn’t cause anything to overall health, exacerbating when we never get them for long enough. Are there any clear explanation for why BP, diabetes and Cancer? Patients never come out of “Modern medicine” once fall prey to it, it suck their life savings and confidence to recover from the illness, its a bitter truth. How many instances in the past we know them, where these pharma companies paid hefty amount to conceal truth about few life saving(!) medicines they found.

    We presume that the villagers who *did* get waterborne diseases died out so
    quickly that you didn’t get to know them? And rain water is a relatively safe
    source of drinking water, provided it isn’t contaminated with fæces. But then,
    it also lacks salts and minerals (which you deem «essential»)!

    Do you think I never know about a death(mysterious one) in my surrounding? Without feces.., its everywhere, rain water never just pours into our pond, it comes along the filed where the fertilizer is just feces of poultry and farm animals. Do you think it will kill everyone one of us, please be aware that we are living strong drinking that water without even boiling it. Sad part is after seeing folks from nearby towns my villagers too started using these bottled water, hope it brings a smile into your face :-)

    It does. For an atheist to believe anything followed by a religion or
    mentioned by a religious belief, it must have independent corroborative
    evidence. This criterion (of evidence) is not limited just to religious
    beliefs but to ALL beliefs. Up to now, your claims do not satisfy this.

    Alternate to turmeric – yes there are far cheaper antiseptics, how long its going to be available cheap and how long its going to work, hope you know what I mean. The use of powerful anti bacterial agents, medicines introduced innumerable strains of organisms which we never account for properly. Guess the so called science is laborious, and eventually you’ll come up with something stronger(cheaper too), but who is actually bothered about the health implications it could create. We had ash used to clean the utensils, and cow dung to clean the surface inside the house, which never polluted the streams and locality around. Science gave me bleaching powder, bar soaps .. funny that it contains neem extract :-), liquid cleaners, 5x toilet cleaners, now 10x cleaners … so on … what happens when I release everything around me along with the polyethylene bags(who cares, chalta hai). Does it ring any bell to the atheists brain(I believe including me) ?

    The true view of yours doesn’t look so true to me, I believe you never thought about the issue as a whole like the author. Modern medicine is not perfect and it never will, because the science is always funded by capitalists. I am not asking someone to drink cow urine, but I am saying that if you are exposed to it from your childhood its highly likely that nothing will happen to you. I don’t want to add anymore comments and lengthen the discussion, hope I made my viewpoint well and clear like yours. Again thanks for your time Alex & Captain.

    • I’ll try once more, to clarify the new (and some old) points raised
      by Rajan.

      > Then why every vendor is trying to project the water as “Mineral
      > water”…

      Simply because «Mineral Water» is a genericised trademark, where
      the proper term should be «bottled water» or «packaged drinking
      water». This latter is the actual term you’ll see on all reputable
      brands of bottled water. «Mineral Water» actually refers to water
      that is derived from mineral springs, which may be effervescent
      (sparkling) due to Carbon dioxide content, and packaged with
      minimal processing, no additives, and «Mineral Water» branding. In
      old (very old) times, bathing in and drinking «Mineral Water» was
      thought to be good for health. While there may have been some truth
      to the claims, only rich people could normally afford to take the
      expensive trips required. Thence «Mineral Water» acquired its
      snobbish cachet among the middle class, which is what is exploited
      by marketers of packaged water. To claim that this water is somehow
      superior for health than our otherwise clean good old underground
      or treated river water is not only false, but unethical as well.
      However, you seem to make a similar assertion that lack of certain
      mysterious «minerals» is the cause of chronic age-related diseases.

      > …do you really think a trivial imbalance in trace elements
      > doesn’t cause anything to overall health, exacerbating when we
      > never get them for long enough.

      Trivial imbalance in trace elements DOES NOT cause high blood
      pressure or diabetes. NEVER EVER. There are well documented
      diseases due to deficiency or excess of trace elements in drinking
      water, but they are rare, and occur in large populations only in
      the areas where the underground water is deficient or otherwise
      unsuitable for drinking. Again, most problems are due to *excess*
      minerals, and the local residents soon learn to deal with the water
      and treat it themselves. These techniques are developed
      scientifically! Eg: Fluorosis occurs due to excess fluoride in
      drinking water (some areas of Rajasthan and MP), while most areas
      are actually fluoride deficient! Hence fluoridated toothpaste.

      > Are there any clear explanation for why BP, diabetes and Cancer?

      Why what? Please complete your question if you want a good answer.
      If you’re asking why do they occur? Yes it is a valid scientific
      question, and the whole sub-field of study—Ætiology—is focussed on
      finding out why diseases occur. I won’t attempt detailed
      explanations of these diseases (which would take several books),
      but you should realise that high blood pressure, Diabetes and
      Cancer are not just «diseases» in the way cholera is, but are
      collections of symptoms that have several causes. In case of HBP
      and Diabetes (the common kind), two very important causes are high
      body fat (including obesity) and ageing. Fatty and old tissue
      becomes more resistant to insulin, causing diabetes, while fat
      causes blood vessel blockage and ageing causes their hardening and
      narrowing causing HBP. These are *very* simplistic explanations,
      but illustrate my point that these diseases are not beyond the
      comprehension of the common Indian person. For example, an
      important factor I neglected to mention here was heredity, since a
      person cannot really do anything about it.

      > Patients never come out of “Modern medicine” once fall prey to
      > it, it suck their life savings and confidence to recover from the
      > illness, its a bitter truth.

      You are a liar and a cheat, sir. A patient cured of leprosy, TB,
      malaria, cholera, typhoid, a host of other diseases; any person
      who’s vaccination avoided smallpox, polio, measles, tetanus,
      rabies, has every right to spit in you face if you DARE to insult
      Modern Medicine on the basis of lies and half truths. Its not
      perfect, but its better than anything yet. Ask your elders how
      much they spent on smallpox vaccinations, how their life savings
      are sucked every time they go to a hospital to get tetanus shots.
      Every treatment I’ve mentioned in this paragraph is available for
      free or at nominal rate through various National programmes funded
      by our country’s taxpayers so that our poor and needy folk do not
      suffer preventable misery.

      > How many instances in the past we know them, where these pharma
      > companies paid hefty amount to conceal truth about few life
      > saving(!) medicines they found.

      I don’t know any incidence where a pharma company concealed any
      life saving medicine. In fact, the more critical the drug, the more
      aggressively companies try to market it, far from concealing it!
      Remember—they earn money by *publicising* and selling drugs, not by
      concealing them!

      > Do you think I never know about a death(mysterious one) in my
      > surrounding?

      I was being sarcastic, since the untold numbers who die of TB (and
      in the past, smallpox) and water-borne diseases (including cholera)
      evidently elude you.

      > Without feces.., its everywhere, rain water never just pours into
      > our pond, it comes along the filed where the fertilizer is just
      > feces of poultry and farm animals. Do you think it will kill
      > everyone one of us, please be aware that we are living strong
      > drinking that water without even boiling it.

      No. It won’t kill everyone of you. Just the weak, infirm, pregnant,
      newborn, aged, wait… who’s left? Just wait for the day a single
      sufferer of Typhoid discharges his/her fæces into the water supply.
      Ol’ Salmonella’ll do the rest, for she is wise and powerful. Of
      course, if an informed citizen like you dies of cholera or typhoid
      it is your own responsibility, but the fact that you encourage
      others to drink that water without as much as boiling it is very
      damning.

      > Sad part is after seeing folks from nearby towns my villagers too
      > started using these bottled water, hope it brings a smile into
      > your face :-)

      The real sad part is that the villagers, instead of learning about
      how to collect and preserve their rain water for drinking use, and
      learning how to purify it by boiling or simple treatment—which
      would have served generations to come—have fallen prey to the
      bottled water marketers. This serves to show that status-symbols
      are always in high demand, be they mobile phones or bottled water.

      > Alternate to turmeric – yes there are far cheaper antiseptics,
      > how long its going to be available cheap and how long its going
      > to work, hope you know what I mean.

      What makes you think turmeric is going to outlast alcohol? Why
      would tincture of iodine or betadine stop working? Tincture of
      Iodine has been in use for over a hundred years, and has a vast
      log of proven efficacy, unlike turmeric—whose efficacy is based on
      hearsay.

      > The use of powerful anti bacterial agents, medicines introduced
      > innumerable strains of organisms which we never account for
      > properly. Guess the so called science is laborious, and
      > eventually you’ll come up with something stronger(cheaper too),
      > but who is actually bothered about the health implications it
      > could create.

      We *are* bothered about the health implications, and want as few
      (or no) people to die/fall ill at all! That’s why we invent
      better *and* cheaper drugs all the time!

      As for resistant strains, that’s true, and a thing called
      Evolution. Bacteria evolve much faster than we do, so the fight
      against them is never ending, but its not hopeless. It is like we
      were in a one sided war with them fol millennia, with us on the
      losing end, but now that we’re fighting back, they are escalating
      their defence. But be aware, the fight has turned from one of *our*
      survival to one of *their* survival, and even that too looks
      suspect today!

      > We had ash used to clean the utensils…

      Ash is a good scouring agent. You can also use sand, rocks, or even
      Scotch Brite for all I care. However, that ash is generated
      (usually) by a hapless woman blowing over a smoky chulha for hours
      on end, with teary eyes, grey skin, sweaty body, bent back, hands
      that bear innumerable burn marks, inhaling the smoky air to live,
      her throat clogged with the smoke, smoke generated by green shoots
      and wet leaves and dung-cakes that she has laboriously collected
      after getting up before dawn and sacrificing her body at the altar
      of family duty. You can use whatever you want, but *I* will use
      Rasoi Gas=> No ash available=> *I’ll* wash the bloody utensils with
      liquid soap and Scotch Brite. Thank you.

      > …and cow dung to clean the surface inside the house, which
      > never polluted the streams and locality around.

      If you do not consider animal shit, with its obnoxious smell, loads
      of bacteria and good potential for spreading leptospirosis (if
      contaminated with urine), as pollution, I have no further comment.

      > Science gave me bleaching powder, bar soaps .. funny that it
      > contains neem extract :-) ,

      You’re aware that «nimbu power», «neem power» etc. are marketing
      tools to sell soap to an Indian-label crazy population, and does
      not actually depend on the said ingredients for its action, if it
      even contains them at all, right?

      > liquid cleaners, 5x toilet cleaners, now 10x cleaners … so on …
      > what happens when I release everything around me along with the
      > polyethylene bags(who cares, chalta hai). Does it ring any bell
      > to the atheists brain(I believe including me) ?

      Where are you going to «release» large quantities of all these
      cleaning materials wrapped in polythene bags? Please inform us so
      we can get you arrested for eco-terrorism. 😉 Are you
      *threatening* to release all this? Unlike you, we care about the
      environment, and believe that the only purpose of toilet cleaner is
      to clean toilets. Have you cleaned your toilet before? Have you not
      seen how easy and safe the new cleaner is compared to the old
      scrubbing or (horror) acid?

      > The true view of yours doesn’t look so true to me, I believe you
      > never thought about the issue as a whole like the author.

      As I said, I’m not trying to make you come around to a different
      way of thinking. The mere fact that you’re willing to reason in a
      civilised manner gives enough me pleasure and hope in the Indian
      citizenry. However, there are many others who do not share your
      ideals and are willing to use force to thrust their ignorance upon
      the population. It is their ideas that I counter, and unfortunately
      you share many of them. Oh well.

      > Modern medicine is not perfect and it never will,…

      Absolutely. To perceive perfection in oneself is only a flaw of
      pride or vanity. It is only an ideal we always strive to attain.

      > …because the science is always funded by capitalists.

      Please remember, science existed thousands of years before
      capitalism, and even modern medicine has a known history predating
      capitalism.

      Also, while you use «Capitalist» as a term of disgrace, I
      respectfully differ and instead commend all Socialists to a speedy
      journey to whichever Hell they wish to believe in.

      > I am not asking someone to drink cow urine…

      That’s good enough for me!

      > …but I am saying that if you are exposed to it from your
      > childhood its highly likely that nothing will happen to you.

      I’m saying this is wrong. W.R.O.N.G. Even if you’ve been swimming
      in cow urine since birth, cholera can still kill you in a matter of
      days.

      > I don’t want to add anymore comments and lengthen the discussion,
      > hope I made my viewpoint well and clear like yours. Again thanks
      > for your time Alex & Captain.

      There is nothing more to say, really, so

      Good Bye, and Good Luck!

  • Thanks Alex, it is indeed a detailed explanation :-) Appreciated. I really had a long wait, 30+ years for some cholera sufferer to release his feces into my waterstream then die or seek modern medicine for help, guess I am having a bad luck like so many others. I am not going to live in fear for every small thing on my way. I must agree to some of your points but not all. Well, good buy, guess you less likely need a good luck .. modern medicine is with you :-)

  • Any urine has so much bacteria as to cause grave diseases. Leptospirosis being one. Jus because something is written in religious scripture doesnt make it infallible. MEdical books are updated and corrected from time to time. That means Medicine or even science is ready to take criticism and/or questions which religion clearly does not. Its your choice- to believe in sumthing that is tried and tested from time to time or just sumthing that was written thousands of years ago. Open your minds. Im a Hindu. But that doesnt mean I havta be blind.

  • Krishnaprakasha B

    This article entirely depends upon the “the false negative”, according to which the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

  • Have u ever heard about FMT ( fecal microbiota transplant ) ? Its a hot trend between researchers…

  • Srinivas Kakkilaya

    What has that go to do with cow’s urine?

  • With due respect to the author, I am compelled to write this note that even though I am not in favor of promoting cow urine as medicine, but I am certainly of the opinion that cow is the only animal on which many civilizations thrived,especially India’s. Cow’s excreta is used for fuel (you do not need to convert them in bio gas) and also in villages of Bengal they wipe their yards with this and water solution. Cow is the rich source of milk and our forefathers, the Rishis were by nature very grateful, not only to cow but all animals, especially for cows, for the life saving milk that one can only compare when a bed ridden sick child can be revived to life by her or his own mother’s milk (in this case you can use cow milk as well if the kid is used to that). So there can be a million reasons for which a cow can be treated as sacred, most profound among them is the mankind’s tribute to this animal for protecting civilization for thousands of years. I think one may not be ‘religious’ or believe in worshipping the cow, but a simple sense of gratitude should be there. And this is not only for the cows, but humans should remain grateful to the flora and fauna of this world, cow being an essential entity in them.

  • one more thing mr. srinivas even there are not much evidence of effect of use of cows colostrum for cure of asthama, but I myself is a biggest proof of being cured by the use of cows colostrum, I was severely suffering from asthama and it was necessary for me to use asthama pump twice a day, just like suggestion of cow urine is done for various desease, similarly i was suggested to drink cows colostrum, and i did it just for 7 days and to our surprise i have not suffered from a single attack of asthama after that. 1 year have already passed. I was not able to walk fast and now I can run, and climb hill without any problem of breathing.

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